You've trotted this one out several times but unfortunately repetition doesn't make it valid.

Teague is in to his 3rd year of coaching and we could only start teaching team defence 4 weeks ago? They are full time footballers. He has them 10 months of the year, 6 days per week.

Junior players come into the AFL with more than enough attacking qualities. Attend NAB League or representative junior trial matches and the overwhelming majority of players are offensive midfielders with little concept of defence. There are a couple of recent AFL recruiters on this site who I suspect will validate that statement. Defenders are usually adept at one on one defence but most elite junior players have little concept of player accountability. And that's how our players have been allowed to play. It's similar to how Brett Ratten coaches but he has also realised "allowing the players to play" will be eaten alive by a balanced structure. Like Teague, it appears he has finally allowed the assistant coaches to do their jobs. and to provide the required specialist input.

Credit to Teague for recognising his game style is deficient but that defence of him has more holes than our team defence.

Personally, I hope we show significant progress from here and Teague goes on to be a very successful coach but I cant swallow the sugar sprinkled bullshit we're being force fed to sway opinion. Nonsense like that just pushes posters in the opposite direction.

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Teague was appointed in August 2019 not January 2019 and had to de boltonize the squad.

Yes, I know when Teague coached his first game. I just look at your posts.
You joined TC the day he coached his first game. Surprise, surprise.

As I correctly said, he is in his third year of coaching. And if De-Boltonising the squad means refusing to play the youngsters in the middle and chasing wins at the expense of development, we definitely did that.

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He has coached 15 games using Carlton's facilities.

Courage comes in all forms and courage is something I admire. Doesn't have to be physical - courage and conviction to innovate and stand out from the pack is whats going to win us flags. Everything else is nonsense. Work hard and drilling a team to play according to a set philosophy that has high potential for sustained success ; not putting numbers behind the ball and hope to score 70 points to win a game.

Not play like Richmond, Melbourne and Bulldogs thats a recipe for mediocrity.

As for my join date its called delusions and pissing in the wind to think it was anything other than coincidence.

I like this post but I also became angry when I read the 1st line.

Couldn't not agree anymore with the philosophy of free flowing football and utilizing the flair and talent we have on our list.
What annoys me though is, why haven't we implemented a team defense mindset as yet and why are our clearances such a mess?
This should have been priority over summer, if not last year.
Get the clearances right and the attacking/scoring will follow through natural progression! Currently we are boxing with one hand behind our back as we are losing centre clearances.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Do you play defensive football or do you continue to drill a team to play attacking football and utilise the squads assets.?

As for team defence and stop the bleeding - defensive football is easy to implement put players behind the ball and bobs your uncle.

There has to be a better way - I dont know what the answer is maybe instead of being rigid be more flexible i.e., players running harder for longer and roaming from positions.

Off the ball movement is critical in defence and attack not sitting like lamp posts. We can't play like other teams - we will get wins but flags 2-3 in a row - nup... need to do something thats better than the rest.

There was good footage looking up the ground from behind the goals in the 3rd Qtr when Freo were kicking out after a behind.

Prior to kicking out, Carlton players were spread across the ground to cover outlets. We did look open in parts, but the outlets were covered with good intent. As soon as the kicker decided he was going to kick along the line, you could see Weitering just prior to the kick out mustering the troops to move across and lock the ball along the flanks, hence squeezing the ground. First thing I though of when I saw that.

The boys are learning to listen to the General/ Leaders on field direction, or they are learning from the last 4 weeks tutorials. It doesn't matter for me how they learned but I am glad they are listening to direction. This is the beginning of something we will get better at, or finally the penny has dropped and players are realising its team defence or no defense at all.

Go Blues.

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Correct Bondi. But the fallacy being peddled is that attacking football is more difficult to teach and that's why everything else has been ignored for 2 and a half years.
The reality is, attacking football is one third of the equation. Players should learn from day one what strategies we implement when we have the ball, when the opposition have the ball and when it's in contest.
Our attention to detail in the defensive phase and to a lesser extent the contested phase have been poor.
You cant take 2+ years to suddenly decide to teach team defence! All 3 phases of the game should be coached in unison.
You cannot implement a game style of stretching the ground, keeping forwards deep to score and creating full ground space without contemplating the significant impact on defence.

A good game style revolves around managing all phases of the game.
You cant isolate one phase of the game without severe consequences on the others. It's not a matter of playing offensive or defensive footy and that's it. What simplistic nonsense.

Let's be honest. Football analysts have been highlighting our strategic deficiencies for quite some time. Yet when the shit hits the fan and an external audited is floated, we suddenly put time into defence and contest. Is that good coaching or pig headed autocracy? That's what the review should focus on.
If we have a coach who refuses to take feedback and strategic advice. Piss him off.
If we have assistant coaches who don't have the tactical nous or the strength to put forward their views, piss them off.
Whatever it is, sort it out and give our club the opportunity to move forward in a united and strategically sound manner.

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I think we can all agree that it is a good sign if a coach can learn from his mistakes and adapt. For a coach who has coached for just under two calendar years (claiming three seasons is being disingenuous) he’s showing good signs.

I’d rather stick with a coach who makes mistakes and learns from them than continue the merry go round of sack and replace every few years.

We surely need to give him until the end if his third full season before we make a call.

Doesn't matter what level of footy we critique, there's always been 3 parts to the game as BV mentions: we have it, they have it, or its in contest.

Immature to think you can have one without the other, otherwise we are playing a third of a game.

That's a reflection of the immaturity of a coach or immaturity of a team, but glad the players are focussing on the need for a good defensive strategy.

I remember the all out attacking style of the Crows in the H & A away games only to fail to defend in the big dance. Teague was the forwards coach. Not his fault the team couldn't defend on the day the heat was turned up.

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Agree.

But if stubborness is a big part of his make up and that has a chance of continuing it needs to stop.

No one knows if a change has come from coach or pressure on the coach.

The thing I dislike about Teague is, similarly to Bolton, albeit maybe for different reasons, he is slow to make adjustments to stem the flow or to counter the opposition set ups when they are staring at him in the face, or even worse, costing us the game.

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Actually it's been a bit OVER 2 calendar years so not disingenuous at all. I said he's in his third year. Absolutely correct.

Secondly, I'd rather stick with a coach than sack them. I've said that all along. But FFS, you cant coach 1 phase of the game in an elite competition for 2+ years and think that is professional and acceptable.
The review is exactly what we need and I look forward to its outcomes.

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I have said this before, but I don't count time that he was caretaker coach as you can't make drastic changes whilst you're auditioning for the main job.

Secondly I have also said that no other first time coach has had more staked against them to implement their game-plan.

His first season was held up with no access to players for 6 weeks before going into a bastardised competition and no reserves comp to work on player deficiencies.

This year he has had a chance to see how the game plan works in real AFL conditions and has accepted that there are areas that need rejigging that he is doing mid season. I don't know what people expect from Teague, he is a young coach finding his feet in the job, with little support, whilst staying true to his philosophy on the game that I believe will give us a point of difference to the rest of the comp.

It is not perfect, but I do believe that it plays to our strengths once it becomes second nature to our players, but it also requires like every other team to have a ruckman that competes and we don't have that right now.

A point of difference? well we certainly have that.
Foxfooty showed a graphic art night. Since Round 9 Champion Data ranked the teams for "work without the footy"
We are 18th. Last in the competition. So yes, we have a point of difference. Unless we have the footy in our hands, we are abysmal. That's what the outcome is when you coach one phase of the game. And I'd suggest it has been the same for a long time before Round 9.
The unfortunate part is you cant succeed without being proficient in the other phases. If you cant win the ball or get it back off the opposition, offence means Jack shit.

To suggest we've waited since June 2019 to implement any meaningful form of defensive or contest strategy due to "resources" or other restraints is farcical IMHO. The 3 phases of the game have to be developed in conjunction. Each relies on the other. One cannot function effectively without the other.
It has been a deficiency in the coaching that should not have progressed to this stage.

As I said above, I don't want to see Teague sacked but I want to know he can recognise the errors made and is willing to implement changes to ensure it doesn't happen again.

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He had his first pre season with the group before the world went mad in 2018/2019 so he has full 2 pre seasons with this group

And he has been found out as coach from defensive side !!

The only question in this review has to establish does he get a 3 year extension above his last year contract ( which is next year ) and do go all in with him as the head coach which would potentially lead to worsfold as director of coaching to
Replace judd the invisible man ,,,

And the answer for me and a lot of Carlton. Supporters I know would be a big fat no !!!

He doesn’t have the ability to get the best out of this group or the presence to galvanise a club around him , which is just as important

Was he a victim of circumstances when first appointed and not properly supported , definitely yes!!

But unfortunately this next 24 months will define this group and this meek club for the last 20 years has to get it right this time ...

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Its interesting that you noted attacking ball movement is easier to coach than putting numbers behind the ball. With all your wisdom you should apply for the job if you believe that is the case. It will save hundreds of thousands of people alot of heartache and who knows you could even become a legend.

But don't feel disheartened if the players start laughing at you after three days.

Old form returns hey Walsh?
When you have nothing, you get personal.
I knew it wouldn't take long before the narcissism took over again.

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Well I couldnt help it your know it all persona is overwhelming.

In all due respect to Fox footy, they are analysts and as such show graphics that suit the point they are wanting to make and even premiership teams will be poor in some metric which could be highlighted. They provide no insight into future trends of the game, nor do they accept that there are different styles that can be successful, analysts always compare teams to last years premiers and were critical to Richmonds game style before they were premiers ( Grigg in ruck, only 1 KPF etc)

I totally agree that all 3 phases must be developed in conjunction and considering that we have been in winning position in nearly all of our games indicates that this is what is happening, but the balance is not where it needs to be as yet.

Teague was appointed senior coach with 2 games left of the 2019 season and therefor had the 2020 pre season to implement his system, unfortunately after 1 game in the 2020 season players were isolated for 6 weeks before playing a bastardised competition out of a hub with no reserves to help players work on deficiencies and no real confidence of how the system would stake up on a real season of AFL - Pretty much a wasted year.

To say that Teague has had 3 years or even being cute to say that he is in his 3rd year is unfair and untrue after all he still has a year and half left of his 3 YEAR contract...

This review is not there to extend Teague contract, we still have a full year and change to do that, what it does need to find out is whether the football department has the right people to run successfully and to provide Teague every opportunity to get the most out of this group.

Foxfooty showed a graphic from Champion data.
I'm not sure if you understand how it works but the data reflects the reality. It's not something some flower dreams up. It's data the clubs request and use to analyse the opposition.

Secondly, it's you who is trying to be "cute" with the dates. Under any assessment, David Teagues coaching record starts 8/6/19. To suggest he is in his third year isn't unfair, it's a @#$%&! fact.

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