I would suggest that Teague inherited a list with potential but certainly not ready, and sometimes it is harder to change players than develop them from scratch to fulfill a role.

It’s all apples v oranges of course. Only 16 teams back in 2005. No GWS, no Gold Coast.

Is the AFL draft system now more diluted? 16 years later the differences are vast but W’s and L’s still count for 4 points.

Regards Cazzesman

......yeah but.......

_________________
Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

The talent pool is far more diluted now without a doubt, the talent has not caught up as kids are lost to other sports more than ever.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

_________________
Circumstance has no value. It is how one relates to a situation that has value. All true meaning resides in the personal relationship to a phenomenon, what it means to you.

Natural talent maybe if you are taking about attrition or movement to other sports, but trained talent it's much higher.

The exposure young athletes are provided with respect to training development is far greater today.

Secular trends show kids, and the population in general, are becoming bigger, stronger and healthier with each passing decade.

The talent level of athletes now compared to 2005 is significant. They are taller, bigger, stronger and have been through much more nuanced / specialised pathways.

That is why you will see AFLW look very different in 10 years. You won't recognise the difference of AFLW as a product and its players in 2030 as the young girls age 6-10 come through the development pathways like the boys.

I research in this space.

something i have pondering of late ... and its a massive what if ...

but would we be talking about teague not being up to it .. or would we be talking about teague evolving the game to a point where other teams followed suit ...

every team talks about finding the system that they emulate i.e. pagans paddock, hawks zone defence, richmonds pressure defense etc.. and these coachs are appluaded as revolutionary.

IF, and its the big IF, we had our players at our disposal would our "attack first, defend later" be considered the benchmark ...

If Mckay, Curnow and McGovern are fit and firing ... we have marchbank across half back to compliment Weitering Jones with Saad and Williams flying off half back ... would we literally be kicking enough goals every game that its undefendable ... if could get kick 5 goals a quarter every game .. i fail to see how we would lose (sounding abit like malthouse here) ... and who knows with a forward line up and about, fit and firing.

we scored 4 goals in 90 secs against the crows. it was blistering ... our best, beats anyone, dominated against the dogs etc.. quarters here and there, but gone would be the need to dominate for patches of games .. yes we cant maintain that intensity, but if we have all of our players at our disposal, do we need to? I actually think we have arugable the best 1/2 defenders in the league with Weitering and Jones. Through Marchbank into that and wowee ...

Sliding doors etc.. and i know we can improve defensively ... but would we need to if we could get our best on the park and attacking the game at all costs ... perhaps that becomes the benchmark.

now, the argument against is we havent had that possibility due to injury, so we need to adapt, and we havent, but gee, it would be good to see what teague could do with all players available to him. (also think playing Dow and SPS in the correct decisions is a move in the right direction)

just me, pondering what ifs etc..

I agree that a team should play to your strengths but haven’t seen a team that goes all of the way without having a very solid back 6 but more importantly an effective team defence mechanism that the whole team buys into that team defence
With Charlie and McGovern and H all fit and firing we would win more games but if we continued without the appropriate defence mechanisms we wouldn’t be much better off and certainly would not go the whole way or be challenging

You never know unless you give them a go. See Hardwick, Goodwin...

There's good reasoning there Scotty, but what happens when injury impacts us?
i guess the same as every other team: injury derails best laid plans.

Answer develop a deeper list?

Now lets get everyone on the park, and, hope that the likes of Kemp, Philp, Setterfield, Cuningham, Carroll, Dow and Fisher provide enough support for Walsh & Cripps to create a great midfield group.

_________________
Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

could it be argued that a good system allows for personal changes whereas a system that relies on a set group all ready to play is doomed to failure?

_________________
This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Systems are only good when you win.
The moment you lose a good system becomes bad

Sent from my SM-G991B using Tapatalk

_________________
If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

Wasn’t non stop attack the Geelong system?

Personal or personnel?

I kind of get it either way.

A lot of our players seem to be going through either puberty or menopause.

_________________
“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

_________________
This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

As the dad of a boy who could be considered 'an elite jnr athlete' rep/state basketball, rep/state football, from what I am seeing is that there plenty of junior talent out there to go around. It is what the boys/young men want to do with their talent. is the driver. The application that they need to be successful is immense and something that most from outside don't see. And then the system that they get fed into contributes hugely. One coach can advance a talent rapidly while if the kid gets another coach then they can go backwards just as fast - eye of the beholder. Then luck and the avoidance of injury is huge!

Interesting.

It's hard to notice it watching AFL, a lot of athletes who are average footballers.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

_________________
Circumstance has no value. It is how one relates to a situation that has value. All true meaning resides in the personal relationship to a phenomenon, what it means to you.

Could not agree more

Getting a bit tired of these comparisons. Goodwin, Hardwick, Bomber Thompson all saw rapid improvement and finals in their first few years. They had a dip after that but had some decent runs on the board to warrant sticking it out. They would be a valid comparison for the Ratten scenario. After 3 years of finals, Ratts deserved another chance.

In Teague’s case however, we have shown no improvement since his first half season, in fact we have regressed. I’m happy to give him the year out to see if anything changes but I just don’t see it happening


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

_________________

I must say I am proud of David for finally figuring out that Samo is NOT a defender. It took him 18 months but he got there. Congrats David!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

_________________

Careful. TC's own Mrs Teague will hunt you down. (I wonder if she's related to Hendo's Mum?)
Meanwhile our reserves are 25 points down at half time to Coburg in the VFL. The entire coaching department needs a massive shake up.

_________________
Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Who would you suggest taking out of the midfield to appease Samo out of curiosity?

Currently we have Cripps, Walsh, Curnow, Dow and Kennedy.

Maybe some want to play the game with 15 midfielders just to make them happy.

Whoaaaa...they're elite operators, a functionally assembled team and on the cusp of history; whether it be "back to back", "threepeat" or as others have suggested, "twentyplenty"

We'll have 36 flags over the next quarter of a century

_________________
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!