We didn’t do that tonight though

- team defence a shambles .. players dont' block holes in defence
- conceded 100 points against one of the worst forward lines in the league - goes back to team defence which was horrible
- Pittonet is not good enough against premier ruckmen
- improved in clearances from last week - what i saw and you will see our tackle count was down. its not because we cant tackle its because the game plan is not very good on turn over and we turn over the ball alot and there is no compensation for it. shit coaching really
- collingwood played tight football nothing great about them - just did the simple things better
- absolute smashed the inside 50s must have some of the dumbest footballers or coaches in the competition with repetitive entries all the same with same effect
- loser mentality of this group is surreal
- fast paced football doesnt suit cripps too much but still one of our top players winning clearances and sticking the tackle
- zac williams from the clearance is top notch
- skills are good - game plan is shit - too aggressive and shit team defence.

Too many players had little influence. Dow Setters Murphy Newnes Casboult...you just can't carry that many & win

Good to see us up the ante in the 3rd qtr but even then we just bombed it forward so often. I think we just used up all our energy that qtr for not enough goals in return.

Harry well done on kicking 4, but still a couple of his second efforts when they had the ball were ordinary. He needs to throw his weight around more when the ball hits the deck.

Williams pretty good debut.

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Just another poor decision from the Carlton board didn’t really interview anybody Ratts would of
Been the one to get

Setters, Dow and Williamson serious doubts whether they will ever be good enough.

Murph I think is cooked, 18 nothing possessions tonight and topped off with zero pressure.

We need guys like Philp, stocker, Ramsey etc to start knocking the door down in the vfl.

I disagree with most of this, Stranger

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Hasn't matters who we've had at the wheel. Issues are deeper than coaching. He's has a long haul ahead to change the culture. All the class you bring in changes nothing unless that culture is changed. That can take forever. Sadly he's been a better coaching performer here than anyone bar Ratten since Parko.

Need a player to stand up and say enough is enough. Much like Chapman did at Geelong in 2007, when they were 2-3 and coming off a poor 2006. He stood up and gave it to them and they have never looked back.

Make changes.

Murph
Casboult
Williamson

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Walsh has been our best player first 2 games and is a beast.

Forcing him back to a wing because Setters isn’t any good is stupid.

Setters either lifts or goes out of the team.

Conceded over 100 points in each of the first 2 games - not good enough!

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Not giving up on Teague, we are still coming from a long way back.

I’m sick of losing as much as anyone, though I am hopeful we can improve with Williams and Saad playing regularly and everyone getting used to playing each other.

What I see is we are too loose, and easy to score against, we are being exposed by the lack of pace of guys like Cripps and Setters. Add to that the zero defensive pressure offered by Murph and to an extent Dow.

On the positive side:

Fogarty looks like a very good get
Walsh beast
Harry good
Fish dangerous
Martin class, would like him in the middle more
Saad also class
Williams tried hard
Weiters very good
Gibbo dangerous and very good

Negative

Murph ineffective
Dow doesn’t do enough
Setters crap
Williamson crap
Plow had a rough night
Jones dumb at times
Doch seems a bit vanilla now, but still a good player
Cripps average, no real impact. Had a great first half v Richmond, not done much since

I honestly don’t know what to say. Said most last week, so not worth repeating, except Cripps must have OP. It’s been sad watching him over the past year.

I get it.

You were right.

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Carlton at their best had great ruckmen

The last decent ruck was Matty Allan and we haven’t looked like it since

I am hopeful De Koning might be the ruckman that we desperately need

True and a real midfield where you can rotate up to at least 6 genuine midfielders through the middle. Cripps, Walsh and now Williams is not enough. Our inability to get clearances places a lot of pressure on our defenders.

We are kidding ourselves, I have been banging on about this for years, we would have one of the worst midfield groups in the competition.

Mckay good game - no way, not from me, yes 4 goals, but really name a goal he got because of his work, not because of the delivery...oh right that'd be the times he fell over - when he has to work, dig deep and really work, nope not in the contest - I put him on a par with Murph's efforts...just.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

To be fair, 0-2 was always a distinct possibility this year as much as we didn’t like to admit it.

Facing Richmond first up was never a likely win and this one was always a 50-50 proposition.

Pies aren’t exactly terrible. They have a great ruckman, decent midfield, very good defence and some dangerous forwards (and a match winner in De Goey).

We aren’t that good, but we aren’t that bad.

Question though, did SOS recruit a quality mid aside from Walsh?

Hopefully we’ll get back to 128-128 later in the year.

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