I understand what you are saying but where a player is drafted I think is irrelevant. Its getting the rights players and then developing them to "want to" play their role in the team. And that takes time. All recruiters would want 5 picks inside the top 20 rather than spread across 5 draft rounds. Once recruited we now have to develop the player to maximize their potential and they have to be willing to do what it takes to maximize their potential. And they have to play consistently with the same group to gel and work as a team. All this takes time and that does not take into account the numerous variables that occur during a game that the team must learn to adapt to and this can only occur through experience. Richmonds successful game plan came about through serendipity, nothing more. So luck also plays its part. I believe we have the players and all we needed was some outside speed. Saad and Williams will add that, now it is about the players willingness to do what it takes to be successful and the coaches ability to maximize their potential.

Disagree.
Grimes is such a more better than player than Plowman
Of course defenders are on a hiding to nothing when the ball is delivered lace out

Fact is some blokes reach their peak early some later
Grimes pre season pick
Plowman pick 3

Good recruiting involves having a crystal ball approach.
SOS was crap at it

Baker and Broad and Short all are terrific players
Meanwhile we still focus on big bananas like Martin who at times is terrible with his efforts
Carlton will never reach top 4 unless there is a cultural change in recruiting

Grimes is a better player because he has developed in a better system

Agree that recruiting the right players is important but a winning culture and a good player development system trumps it

I was amazed at how hard Richmond runs and running to the right spots

Comes down to intent and system

Your overrating systems

Didn't work for them in the first half.

I think you over exaggerate it. Like all recruiters he got some right and got some wrong. Even if he got all recruits right doesn't guarantee a premiership.

one thing in common that all richmonds late picks or rookies picks have is that they are all quick and this is wat concerns me about our list. Players like sps,setters,kennedy and even plowman are all slow. We need to introduce speed to the team 1 from defence and 2 in middle. Funny thing is i have been saying this for about 5 years .

I’m sorry but you are wrong Keogh, multiple posters have called you out in this, it’s not who we recruit as much as how we develop them and what our playing system is. We could be just as successful as the tigers with the list we have if we had the tigers development or system.

50% of the tiggers list would be spuds in any other club.

You are overrating players and recruiters.

If Martin is so terrible why is he so successful?

Didn't work for them in the first half.[/quote]

...but it did over the course if the entire game, that is their secret sauce.

That is complete bullshit

I think squibs it too often
I can give you exact moments in exact games if you want
Certainly not worth being the fifth best Payed player in the game this year

That is complete bullshit[/quote]

No, your bullshit is bullshit.

Try answering my question.

Dan Butler, one of your superstars at the tigers, goes to the saints and a complete spud on e the pressure is on during finals. Why? Because he’s not surrounded by tigers players playing the tigers system

The game has never been as reliant on sophisticated coaching strategies and player development

Although a good start, simply thinking that recruiting the right players will put you in a good position to win premierships is naive

I have no doubt the biggest influence on the recent Hawthorn and Richmond success has been the impact of Clarkson and Hardwick and associated coaching staff.

The solution is simple people.

The club just needs to avoid all of the expertise and research available to them at the time, draft players that keogh will say two years later will be guns, and avoid the players keogh will say in two years time will be duds.

Done and done.

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Matt Rendell was on Open Mike recently.
Being a successful recruiting person in the AFL he was asked about what’s the one thing you look for in a kid.

Effort
Everything else is secondary.
That’s why I would take Baker over Martin any day.

Martin is so @#$%&! overrated. It ain’t funny.
I couldn’t see him stand up to GF pressure

That spud Short racked up more yards gained than any player in the comp.
That Chaos Football that is Richmond’s game style can only be implemented with effort
Tell me does
Cunningham
Martin
Setterfield
Provide that
I’ll keep going if you want

No they @#$%&! don’t
Hopefully they can improve because they need to and effort is a skill in itself
Yesterday showed how are off we are in playing top 4
Agro made a great point
There always on the move
Richmond don’t stand around like statues. They are constantly on the move.
Maybe we focus too much on reputations rather than effort