Just my 2c on where our list is at and more so where we will be in 21.

The * means the player is still developing or has room to improve and any letter in brackets is where that player is as we speak (if different to where they will be in 21)

Where each player is graded is where I believe they can get to in 21. Lots of young talent in the C grade list that I don't expect to come good next year but maybe in 22 or 23. Some players like Charlie, I believe can get to being an A grader but can't see it happening in 21. Other guys like Pitt and Cas, I believe will drop off in 21. I don't rate Gibbons and Newnes as much as others too.

A Grade:

Cripps
Walsh* (B+ so close to A)
Weitering

B+ Grade:

McKay* (B)
Jones
Docherty
Martin
Setterfield* (B)
Williams
C.Curnow* (C)
Fisher* (B)

B Grade:

Dow* (C)
SPS*
Plowman
Marchbank* (C)
Newman
Williamson* (C)
E.Curnow
Saad
DeKonning* (C)

C Grade:

Kemp*
Philp*
Silvagni
Murphy
O'Brien*
Kennedy
McGovern
Stocker*
Betts
Macreadie*
Pittonet* (B)
Cunningham
Newnes (B)
Ramsay*
Honey*
Phillips*
Gibbons
Casboult (B)
Owies*
Cotrell*

Based on the above, we have 20 B grade and above players who are in the 22 for 2021. I would add Casboult over Gov and then I think Murphy gets a gig on the bench to make up the 22.

FB: Plowman Jones Marchbank
HB: Docherty Weitering Saad
C: Walsh Cripps SPS
HF: Martin Casboult Dow
FF: C.Curnow McKay Fisher
FOL: DeKonning Williams Setterfield
INT: Murphy Newman E.Curnow Williamson

It's a good sign that we can't fit Gibbons, Cunningham, Newnes, Gov and Betts. All of which will get games due to injury or some form slumps from others.

I would love nothing more than to see some youngsters like Kemp, Philp and Stocker make there way into the team at some stage but they will need to earn it.

Lets compare this team to where we were in 2016 round 1:

Bolton's first game as coach. It was probably our best effort against Rich for a long time.

FB: Docherty Jamison Rowe
HB: Simpson Weitering Tuohy
C: Muphy Gibbs Boekhurst
HF: Graham Casboult Lamb
FF: Buckley Walker Wright
FOL: Kreuzer Cripps Kerridge
INT: Everitt Phillips E.Curnow White

Only 6 remain on the list.

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Koperek.

Great analysis swanny.

We have come a long way since 2016.
Fingers crossed we fix the 5 goal runs by the opposition and we beat Tigers round 1 2021; boys will be up for it.

Pressure for spots in the 22, plus to remain on the list with what I expect to hppen every year starting 2020 of stars' managers knocking on our door for an interview.

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That forward line......

Arguably the worst forward line in the modern era.

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Koperek.

why are we chasing players that are either contracted or a not available referring to oliver or at 100 to 1 wines. We have to sell the farm as the saying goes. Why can't we just land williams and saad and with p7 we go to draft and keep adding another piece to puzzle. Then in 2021 we give away our first rounders after we play finals ( i hope) for that elite out of contracted player .Need something in the bank for nexts year draft trade.

We get a bonafide player like Oliver, he's "on" straight away and one of the best mids in the comp....whilst all the players at development age are developing.
Oliver is 23yo and helps the team now.
Draftee is 18yo and can't help us till after 22yo, if he works out.

Its the cost of doing business.
He's worth a first rounder and another first as compensation because he's in contract.
I would take that in a blink. What have we got to lose?

You have to ask why we missed out on finals this year?
How will that change with the addition of a draftee with pick 7?

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If a player like Oliver is available you would look at him every day of the week.
Having said that, I would be extremely careful in 'not' selling the farm as you say.
I feel 2 round 1 picks, 1 in the top ten (pick 7) is a reasonable price for a player such as Oliver.
If we add a kid, say Dow or O'Brien or Stocker and these 2 picks, that's when you will lose me. Too much!!

The chances of nailing pick 7 and that player being a 200 game stud are low. In fact you probably need to draft 2 or 3 pick 7's to ensure that you get one that comes good. I would think that number increases the further out the pick is.

So if you have an opportunity to bring in a player that you know is sure thing, is in his mid 20's, fits the timeline of success and is a player you just love, its worth considering. Especially when you have spend 5 years heavily investing in the draft.

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Koperek.

Totally agree.

If the final offer acceptable to the Dees, for AA Oliver, was those 2 picks, plus OBrien what would you do?

I tell you you'd be crying you didn't do it in 2021.

Whilst we have not only McGovern, Silvagni, Levi, Newman, Newnes, Gibbons, Kennedy all playing reserves in 2021, in addition to the plethora of developing first rounders like Dow, OBrien, Stocker, Philp, Kemp, even Cuningham. All First rounders.

The addition of an 18yo Pick 7 player or losing one of those players, or two, wont mean jack to you next year, but having the bird in the hand in the midfield helping us beat the Tigers come round 1 2021, you'll be glad we did whatever it took to add one more A Grader to Cripps Walsh Williams Setterfield along with Saad.

Get the 3 whilst we can. Do it, and the cards will fall in place after that...with plenty of depth

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The days of throwing in a player with two first round draft picks went out of fashion in about 2007.

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Winston Churchill

2 first for oliver is a no brainer. do it.

then perhaps pick 27 and a player (obrien, polson, mcgovern etc..) for saad

but 7 and next years first for oliver is no brainer IMO

Oliver, Saad, Williams, a Fit Curnow, a Fit Cripps, a Fit Marchbank, a Fit Newman ... thats more than a 1/3 of the side that is instantly better than this year. a huge improvement.

Movement

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Congratulations CK95

It wont happen, but if they wanted 2 firsts for him no problem with me....plus a young player.

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Hope so. It’s too much as we know.

Nothing to do with fashion.

Its just a decision made at the time it has to be made: the tipping edge ....to seal the deal.

No need to cut your nose to spite your face. You do what you have to do. Using your terms, you create fashion, not follow it.

If its the final piece of a puzzle then there's a strong reason to add the player f the environment you work in allows.

If you have a plethora of collateral in players, picks or salary space you make up the rules because you can. Simple.

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Thoughts...

Pick 7 to Geelong for 15 & 16

16 to Essendon* for Saad

15, 27 & 45 to Collingwood
Collingwood send 27 & Treloar to Melbourne
Melbourne sends Oliver to Carlton



End Result.
We lose 7, 27 & 45 and gain Oliver & Saad
Collingwood gain cap relief, 15 & 45, lose Treloar
Melbourne gains Treloar (outside run they need) and 27, lose Oliver.
Geelong gains pick 7 from 15 & 16.

Pick 7 is 1644 pts

pick 15 is 1112 pts
pick 16 is 1067 pts

We need to give them an additional ~500 points to get the two first rounders which is pick 35-39

Pick 7 alone won't do it.

great to get oliver but he is not available

Would do that in a flash, but can't see 7, 27 & 45 netting us Saad and Oliver.
Melbourne may like the deal. Despite Dodoro's huffing and puffind, he'd take that deal.
Can't see Geelong of Collingwood agreeing.
If we want those 2 picks from Geelong, we'd have give 27 too. We may get something else back from them such as pick 3 or a Narkle or Charlie Constable, but can't see them giving us 2 picks in the teens for 7 alone.
Collingwood may be looking at a salary dump with Treloar, but can't see them accepting 15 and 45 for him. They'd want and will likely get a top 10 pick.
In short, if this trade comes off, we'd have to likely give up 7 & 27 to get Trealoar to Melbourne and for us to get Oliver.
Meaning we'd likely need to give up next years first for Saad. Should we get Saad, Oliver and Williams and factoring in a returning Charlie and Marchy, that pick will almost certainly be in the teens which is about fair value for Saad.

Just had a look at draft points....maybe we speak to the lions.

7 & 27 = 2347
18,19 & 38 = 2398

Would we do that? Use 19 on Saad (which is about right) and package the 18, 38 for a midfielder?