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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:13 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
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reckon we should ask the question of any Giants player. Whitfield included. that place ain't right. rank footy.
Agreed.. They have a touch of the Adelaide about them....spot fires everywhere...
Cameron looks like he's the kerosene too
... Or the AFL interference is backfiring :wink:
Go Blues


The AFL Coniglio deal has upset the squad...


Last years GF capitulation.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:20 am 
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BSOS I'd expect to get a rookie spot (if spots are available).

Finbar was just a WTF from the beginning.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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BSOS will not make it to our rookie list.

I can almost guarantee that Essendon* will pick him up with a late pick.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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OR on BF saying BSOS and Finbar to be delisted ... anyone here heard this ?

We can get SOS back :thumbsup:

Time to bring out the shotguns.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:15 am 
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Really concerned with the club, signing the old while letting the youth go.
We have a lot of forth and fifth year players now, so that old way way of thinking has to go
Not only are we losing a position on the field to rotate the youth through we are showing a complete lack of faith in the leaders
Cut the ambilocal chord Carlton and let Cripps and Docherty lead this side into a new era


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:22 am 
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We're so good that we can walk away from Zac Williams are we?
For those who don't rate him, have a look at his ball use out of defence compared to our players. If you want to play the corridor and get away from the boundary game, you need players who can hit the kick.
We have so many supporters who spend all their time being critical but fail to come up with any solutions. Stick your neck out Keogh. Instead of saying no to everything, bagging everything, tell us what we should do improve the list. No motherhood statements, no "sack the board" copouts. Give us nuts and bolts. Give us names.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:25 am 
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Give us names.

The Blue Scare? :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:40 am 
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Agree BV Williams has pace is tough can get his own ball and aggressive but you are right pulls the trigger with the kick inside most times a good kick and generally good decision maker
Would be made not to pursue particularly as it is just a question of dollars not picks given up
I know it is only one game but look at PF last year if you need convincing


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:14 am 
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keogh wrote:
Watching the game now
Zac Williams
Wouldn’t go near him


Any free agents you would pursue?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:29 am 
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Re the ongoing argument about is our problem development or drafting...
The lack of a proper VFL competition this year has hurt us more than many clubs.
With so many younger players and recruits on what I believe is now a decent list, they really needed to be playing proper footy together over many weeks.
This is the first year we would have had an opportunity to develop a whole of club brand with a pretty rounded list of talent.
And we had good non-listed players to support their development in the seconds.
Then we might have seen more of the younger ones rotated through the seniors and look like they fitted.
And the step up wouldn't have been so big as it is with 12 a side scratch matches.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:37 am 
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BigGartos wrote:
Re the ongoing argument about is our problem development or drafting...
The lack of a proper VFL competition this year has hurt us more than many clubs.
With so many younger players and recruits on what I believe is now a decent list, they really needed to be playing proper footy together over many weeks.
This is the first year we would have had an opportunity to develop a whole of club brand with a pretty rounded list of talent.
And we had good non-listed players to support their development in the seconds.
Then we might have seen more of the younger ones rotated through the seniors and look like they fitted.
And the step up wouldn't have been so big as it is with 12 a side scratch matches.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:37 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
I can see us landing Williams with an offer GWS can't match (GWS even the corrupt AFL Commission can't buy them a flag).

If Merrett's manager is talking to Austin (maybe about other players in his stable) and we can entice him, we would have to offer 2 first rounders for him.

It seems Saad may just well be eyeing a list spot at Carlton, and he's worth a first rounder plus some. He's out of contract.

How do we land both players from Effen*don?

It would be an opposition's nightmare with the new additions in 2021:

R TDK Walsh Williams
C Merrett Cripps Setterfield

Marchbank and Saad in the backline with Docherty

Charlie and Jack in the forwardline with Martin


That is a much better environment to develop the younger ones like Kemp, Dow, SPS

I'm sure we would get Merrett for 2 x 1st rounders given he will be RFA next year.
I'm sure we would get Saad for 1st rounder plus a 2nd rounder (if we had to) if we couldn't get him with 2 x 2nd rounders.
Especially if they want out.

I would trade a Player for a first pick to get both of those Bumber* players

If Daniher goes for nothing, (ie Effen*don can't match) then that's what is facing them with Merrett next year, and they might think twice about holding onto him.

If they see they can get 2 firsts for Merrett from Carlton and he's out the door, Effen*don may have cap space to match Sydney (or whoever), and they end up with

Daniher (Sydney or Geelong) 2020 2021 1st picks (Geelong have 3 x 2020 1st picks)
Merrett (Carlton) 2020 2021 1st picks
Saad (Carlton) 2020 1st pick (for traded player)
Draft Pick (Effen*don) 1st pick.

They go into 2020 Draft with possibly 5 x 1st round picks starting with their at pick 5 (if Suns beat Hawks), and 2021 with 2 1st round picks or more.

They need a spine, coz they are spineless.

DO IT !!!!!!!!


Which of our players do you think we can afford to lose and will bring in a first round pick?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:41 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
We're so good that we can walk away from Zac Williams are we?
For those who don't rate him, have a look at his ball use out of defence compared to our players. If you want to play the corridor and get away from the boundary game, you need players who can hit the kick.
We have so many supporters who spend all their time being critical but fail to come up with any solutions. Stick your neck out Keogh. Instead of saying no to everything, bagging everything, tell us what we should do improve the list. No motherhood statements, no "sack the board" copouts. Give us nuts and bolts. Give us names.

I’ve told you what I think
I would start a rebuild now. There are roughly 5 to 6 players on every team who play in half of the ground
The other 16 play midfield. Our midfield after Curnow and Cripps simply drops away. Walsh is good. Gibbons should play more there.
But we lack runners and guys that can run both ways.
I wasnt that impressed with Williams last night
Kelly everyone raves about Kelly. Smooth mover but he is soft
Cogs is a goer but overrated too.
There are a lot of overrated players BV


Oh by the way BV I have given alternatives. Have you read them.
I have given names in the past. Have you read them
Did that this time last year in regards to the WAFL
More importantly our strategy in recruiting needs changing that’s obvious

Maybe BV it’s doesn’t matter when the club plays blokes who don’t put in and gives blokes one year contract s when the fork is well and truly stuck

At least when the restrictions lift you and your mates can go and sit on the terraces of Prinnie Park and relive those great old days :smile:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:45 am 
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Oh by the way BV I have given alternatives. Have you read them.
I have given names in the past.


No, I haven't. Let's hear them. Here's your chance.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:55 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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Oh by the way BV I have given alternatives. Have you read them.
I have given names in the past.


No, I haven't. Let's hear them. Here's your chance.

While you’re at it Keogh, can you also be specific about how you would get these players to the club - ie. how we get the deals done, which players we delist, etc. Exactly what a ‘rebuild’ would look like for us.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:56 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
Oh by the way BV I have given alternatives. Have you read them.
I have given names in the past.


No, I haven't. Let's hear them. Here's your chance.


I’ve got to go to work
I will later
In the meantime gives us your grand plan in detail


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:58 am 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
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keogh wrote:
Oh by the way BV I have given alternatives. Have you read them.
I have given names in the past.


No, I haven't. Let's hear them. Here's your chance.

While you’re at it Keogh, can you also be specific about how you would get these players to the club - ie. how we get the deals done, which players we delist, etc. Exactly what a ‘rebuild’ would look like for us.

Don’t get too testy
I wrote what I would have done
You chose to ignore the reference to ODwyer and XAvier College
Didn’t the Silvangi s go there too


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:11 am 
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keogh wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
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keogh wrote:
Oh by the way BV I have given alternatives. Have you read them.
I have given names in the past.


No, I haven't. Let's hear them. Here's your chance.

While you’re at it Keogh, can you also be specific about how you would get these players to the club - ie. how we get the deals done, which players we delist, etc. Exactly what a ‘rebuild’ would look like for us.

Don’t get too testy
I wrote what I would have done
You chose to ignore the reference to ODwyer and XAvier College
Didn’t the Silvangi s go there too

Sorry I didn’t mean to seem testy. I’m genuinely interested in the detailed specifics of your plan.

Yes, Finbar is friends with SOS’s son.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:34 am 
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keogh wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
Oh by the way BV I have given alternatives. Have you read them.
I have given names in the past.


No, I haven't. Let's hear them. Here's your chance.


I’ve got to go to work
I will later
In the meantime gives us your grand plan in detail



Don't deflect Keogh. :lol:
You're the one telling us this week "You guys just get it wrong time and time again" and It is clear to you that many in this site haven’t a clue.
Here's your chance. I'm waiting to hear your names and options to save the club.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:01 am 
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The Hurricane wrote:
Really concerned with the club, signing the old while letting the youth go.
We have a lot of forth and fifth year players now, so that old way way of thinking has to go
Not only are we losing a position on the field to rotate the youth through we are showing a complete lack of faith in the leaders
Cut the ambilocal chord Carlton and let Cripps and Docherty lead this side into a new era

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