No it’s pretty simple
Some blokes like Gibbs and McGovern overrated
Some blokes like McAdam underrated
I’ll grant you Adelaide well and truly [REDACTED] our with Gibbs

How can you say McAdam is underrated when he has only played 12 games in 2 years? Are you saying he is underrated by Adelaide?

hope we keep our first rnd pick to valuable ,i would not trade it for saad or merett who seems to rake up his possessions across hbf .Go to the draft look how happy freo and port supporters are we just need to get it right this time .

...and what id don't get it right?

Bird in the hand is more important for us now imo,
and I think the last 2 year's additions have not been part of the plan

Furthermore, these kids at Freo and Port who look good today will have closer attention paid next year, and may not look as good.
And, ours haven't been given the same opportunity since Teague took over from Bolton.

Did you know Dow's numbers stack up against Freo's and Port's kids.

We have plenty of quality kids. Some develop quicker than others.

So, what do we do with the following first rounders who are still developing?

Dow
OBrien
Stocker
Kemp
Philp

If our window will be opening, it will be from next year. 2021 onwards if we plug gaps instead of adding more kids and giving kids games.
And then in 2021 we add more quality players as the kids get to the standard we expect them to.

Not all will become stars, as has been the case with Freo and Port.

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So just to confirm, a 31 year old midfielder who played 268 AFL games including 7 top 5 B&F finishes, averages over 23 disposals, 4 tackles, 2.8 clearances and kicked 152 goals over a 14 year career is overrated?
A 25 year old forward who has played 12 games, averages 9 disposals and less than 1 goal per game is underrated?
I'd rather say one has been relatively elite and the other has been far less than average.

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You've crossed the line and you're manners need fixing.
There's much better ways to discuss differences; and that's all they are.

You seem to have become a serious narcissist. Maybe you always were. Attention seeker. What are you proving by having a go at posters opinions like this?

I read a really good PM from you dating back 6 years, prior to Bolton. We agreed. The club lacked direction bla bla and MM was a another bad decision. 6 years ago, and you wont let up. No trees for wood for you. That's a problem. Life's too short to have that sort of shit bottled up inside.

You have nothing nice to say about anyone and anything related to Carlton, even if there is merit in it, and some of the ideas posters bring to the forum, mine included, are ideas from footy loving people outside the club. That tells me, according to keogh, everyone is wrong except for keogh. Is that a narcissist or what?

I just look at options and possibilities. Its just a game ... and no one here is clueless...and I for one don't like being called that, nor do others, not even on forums where no one know each other. Its just not nice, especially when we all are part of an unofficial Blue Brethren. I don't like heroes potting anyone whilst they are hiding behind a keyboard,especially when we are suppose to be on the same side. We are all on the same side. We love our team, win or lose. We want to see them do well. We hate to think our own turn on us. Your behaviour has become just repetitive guesswork, rude and abnoxious.

Other than you, I don't know anyone who wouldn't think Carlton would not improve with Williams, Marrett, Saad, Witherden added to our list, let alone best 18 in 2021...and you call me clueless. Even you could pick the 4 best 18 players in 2020 who the abovementioned 4 would replace. You could, couldn't you?

keogh, you have crossed the line. Its not good. Fix it up.

How about start by adding those 4 players to this week's team, and post it here, and, secondly, apologise for the way you address your Blue Brthren on this forum.

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Gibbs record sounds good but yes overrated IMO
Don’t tell me he didn’t squib it
Should have been dropped at times at Carlton

But thats Carlton
Didn’t Ryan Houlihan play 200 games for Carlton

Yes he did and a lot of beauties in that 200 too. Don't you think?

He played 200 games for our club. His talents were sought after. He didn't accept offers to leave. He was loyal.
Something you need to learn. We can't all be up, when the chips are down, but Carlton still lives, and will win flags again.

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Are you a qualified psychologist

Look we agree to disagree about matters to do with the club
Anyone who thinks trading away picks for star players will bring us to number 17 th believes in Santa Claus and his reindeer
But hear are some names
O’ Meara
Wingard
Shiel
Polec
Try those 4 for starters
Find out what their trades involved and have a look at where their clubs are at now
McGovern
Gibbs
Yes Gibbs trade
Didn’t the Crows [REDACTED] that trade up
Problem is O’Brien is crap and Kennedy can’t get a game
DeKoning is a win
Stick with him

bondi is right we have the kids, develop them.

If we are able, use our picks for Merrett even if he is a cheats player. Elite. Or Anderson from norf who I believe is uncontracted. Very good.

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This is a great year for bringing in high quality recruits from other clubs. I don't mind trading players or Picks. We have a first round draft pick from last year (Kemp) so the emphasis should be on A and A+ players from other clubs. NO MORE LIST CLOGGERS PLEASE.

There are a whole range of A/A+ grade players we could target.

Jack Viney (FA and the word is he wants to come to Carlton)
Brad Crouch (FA)
Zac Williams (FA and we are pursuing him big time)
Clayton Oliver (Its my understanding that his management made enquiries at Carlton)
Josh Kelly (final year before FA ... )
Wines (worth another crack ... family wants it to happen)
Saad (debatable)

Not a big Fan of recruiting Graham or Atkins (they are not A graders) and would rather we continue with kids.

We should be throwing the kitchen sink at A/A+ graders big time this year. There are also a couple of Father Sons.

Players like Moore/Goddard/Polson I believe should be moved on. I am also not feeling great about McGovern. Teague says players have had to earn their spots ... I don't believe McGovern has done this..

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EXCLUSIVE

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/edd ... 55x3t.html

ExclusiveSportAFLAFL 2020

More Betts: Popular Blue to kick on at Carlton in 2021
Jake Niall
By Jake Niall
September 18, 2020 — 5.33pm

15 minutes ago

One of the AFL's most popular players, Eddie Betts, will play on in 2021 for Carlton in what will be his 17th year in the AFL.

Carlton have agreed to give a new contract for Betts, 33, who had left Adelaide after 2019 and came back to his first AFL club to finish his career.

There had been some doubt about whether Betts would continue with Carlton, with his long-serving team mates and fellow veterans Matthew Kreuzer and Kade Simpson retiring this year, as the Blues continue their transition to a younger list profile.

Betts was brought back to the Blues as much for his off-field influence - such as mentoring youngsters and Indigenous players at the club- as much for what he could do on field, having left the Blues as a free agent at the end of 2013 to launch a highly successful stint with the Crows, where his stature in the game reached new heights, due to his goalkicking feats and exuberant, open personality.

Betts, who has a close relationship with Carlton senior coach David Teague from the their days in Adelaide together (where Teague was forwards coach), was possibly helped by the decision of Sydney's star small forward Tom Papley to stick with the Swans. Papley unsuccessfully sought a trade to the Blues in the post-season of 2019.

The retention of Betts was foreshadowed by the fact that Carlton had not announced his retirement; it was unlikely that the Blues would let Betts' career end without some form of tribute or recognition had they decided not to offer him a spot.

Betts has played 14 of 16 games this season, booting 13 goals in a lower-scoring season. While most of his numbers are down on his career averages, Teague clearly wanted to retain his experience in a team that was losing Simpson and Kreuzer.

All told, Betts has played 330 games for 613 goals at Carlton and Adelaide, leading Carlton's goalkicking in 2010 and 2012 and making All-Australian with the Crows in 2015, 2016 and 2017, when Adelaide made the grand final.

One unique measure of Betts' career is that he has won the AFL's goal of the year four times.

Unfortunately, Betts - one of the game's most admired Indigenous players - also has been subjected to repeated racist attacks, on the field, in daily life and in social media. He told Fox Footy earlier this year that he was "sick and tired'' of the repeated racist comments but felt it was his duty to call out racist behaviour to achieve change. "The way to hurt these guys is to keep playing great footy and keep smiling and that's what I love doing,'' he said.

Betts was one of the players disappointed by Adelaide's notorious post-season camp on the Gold Coast after the grand final and ultimately sought a trade back to the Blues, after Gold Coast also showed interest in him during 2019.

Carlton announced this week that Saturday's game against the Brisbane Lions would be Simpson's 342nd and final game for the club.

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So if EB isn’t injured next year what does that mean for Owies

Just to clarify
Gibbs trade 2017
Adelaide received Gibbs pick 77 and a future 2nd and third round selection from us
Carlton received picks 10 16 73 and a future second rounder

Mc Govern trade 2018
Adelaide received Shane McAdam who we had received as compensation from the AfL and pick 13 and a future 5 th round selection
Carlton received Mc Govern and a future third rounder
Carlton gave Sydney picks 26 and 28 to get pick 13
Adelaide also gave the Swans pick 40

It means Betts was always going to stay on the list.. Part of the soft cap restrictions, so Owies may still be in the picture as our small forward.

I'm glad the Blues are getting better (if not leading) at making rules work to our maximum advantage.

Go Blues

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Greg Lee

Pay him what he wants. 6 year deal. Pick of that lot listed.

Regards Cazzesman

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OR on BF saying BSOS and Finbar to be delisted ... anyone here heard this ?

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We can get SOS back

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Wouldn't surprise me at all. Neither should have been primary listed.

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