keogh wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
keogh wrote:
We are miles off being a top 4 team
Our midfield is poor.
And we want to trade second rounders for someone like Williams
We overate our list like we did in 2011
Like we did in 2013
Put a fork through some of these blokes now OBrien for starters
I’ll say it again
Who is better
Shiel or Menegola
One costs 2 first round picks for Shiel and a second rounder
One finally get a go at his third club
Cost Geelong virtually nothing
Both play the same position
Menegola one year older
Some blokes just have a knack of finding more diamonds than turds
You only trade away picks when your knocking well and truly on the door
The only exception to this I think of was Boyd and he played only 2 decent games
Compared to Wells SOS was hopeless
The draft is too slow when you are turning over 30 players. You can really only count on a few of them being match winners.
You need to trade players and picks for more playera and more picks at that point.
Don't forget the Suns had every second pick in one draft. GWS has had a golden ride with picks, concessions, academies. Geelong had F/S who would all have gone in the top few picks and who all played in premiership teams.
If the draft were than answer, GWS amd GCS would have won the last 10 flags.
Disagree
Menegola v Shiel
What about Richmond having 9 out of their 22 in last years flag team coming from
Pick 50 or worse
Rookie draft
Pre season draft
Mid season draft
Some people are simply better at spotting talent and the List
Management team have their house in order
The only thing I can put that down to is having a coach aligned with the list manager over a long peroiod of time.
The coach has a game plan and needs particular types to play a role. The list manager works with recruitment and player managers to get what the coach needs.
Damien Hardwick was appointed in 2009.
He was nearly (by a Tiger's whisker) sacked end of 2016, after 7 years of coaching Tigers.
He won the flag in 2017. Injury was kind to his team. They had a starthe umpires allowed to play on the edge (with illegal fend offs allowed) who was damn good, and a bunch of small running players on every line fully understanding the ame plan and executing in sync/ playing manic football.
It takes time.
Hawks appointed Clarkson end of 2004 after serving an apprenticeship as an assistant with the reigning Premiers Port. Hawks had already had on their list, Crawford, Croad, Sewell, Brown, Mitchell, Hay, Bateman, and, with some help (no longer available) from the AFL rules, the young ones in Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell, Roughead, Franklin, Brown.
Clarkson was going to be sacked in 2006 after 2 years of 100 point floggings.
No one was to know they would win 4 flags with a bit of help from the recruitmentin 2006 and 2007 of Dew, Guerra and Gilham from Port and the freak called Cyril, along with Birchill, and a couple of others...Renouf ...
Somehow, albeit unexpected, he won a Flag with alot of luck with Geelongs inaccurate kicking and rushing behinds (since changed the rules), but the fact is he got them to a GF, and built a dynasty recruiting players needed to execute his game plans.
Our record with coaches is abysmal as for recruitment before SOS, don't remind me.
No continuity and no alliance between list manager and coach.
Now we have a good list, at least the foundations of a great list, with only a handful of good experienced players (less than Hawks did), a coach in his first year, and a list manager in his first year.
Things take time, and a bit of luck, and if we do finally get lucky (because we are seen as a team on the rise) and attract some good players eg Williams and Saad, and a left field one like Merret or Kelly, our window has finally opened, as the kids are finally ready to compete for 4 quarters.
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