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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:45 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Went back to the press conference after the match think he was spot on
Said let fans down by performance
Need to be more ruthless
Need to be able to play 4 quarters
What we need to do to become a good team
There are reasons why we aren’t a top 8 team but 12/13 th on the ladder
Thought it was pretty good


[https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/813186/teague-we-need-to-be-ruthless][/url]

WE have to be more ruthless

Is he talking about the players he's selected to play?

Might he be referring to McGovern, Murphy?

Who were the others? Starts at the Top.
Teague picks the players and sets the standards.
Keep picking players who wont go in hard, and for Gov tojust get a kick, it will bite Teague on the bum.
Sometimes you deserve what you get.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:40 pm 
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If Teague was being honest about being ruthless he'd retire Murphy tomorrow.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:49 pm 
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He is becoming a broken record.
Hollow words.
We've seen it all before.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:26 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
He is becoming a broken record.
Hollow words.
We've seen it all before.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:15 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
If Teague was being honest about being ruthless he'd retire tomorrow.


EFA

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:55 am 
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Between R1 2011 and Rd 11 2019 (8.5 seasons)
Carlton had a total of 10 x Goal-less 1st Quarters.
5% of all games.

Under David Teague in 1.5 seasons, they have already chalked up SEVEN!!!
26% of all his games coached.

Something is NOT happening pre-game.

At the very least I'd be going with "Eye of the Tiger" or some such inspiring music pounding through speakers on the change-room walls.


Goal-less last quarters:
2011-2019 x 7
2020 x 3

Bring boom-box onto ground for 3/4 time address?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:39 am 
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fagan, clarkson, scott, simpson ... all highly successful and well regarded coaches who aren't afraid to call players out and get in their face and demand.

teague has some excellent attacking qualities as a coach, and could be good. but like carlton for the last 2 decades, he's too nice, he's a good bloke, lacks leadership and players walk all over that.

you can't be the player's friend, and expect to win things.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:52 am 
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Whilst everyone knows that I think list management is the most important thing to be a successful club on the field I would like to address culture And a long term plan for minute.

I can understand why Simpson and Murphy wanted to chair Gibbs of the ground
Harsh but he didn’t deserve it.
Remember when Hodge retired
Look what he achieved compared to Gibbs.
Look more importantly on how he played compared to Gibbs. Never shirked one contest.
Yet he wanted to just walk off the ground no fanfare
It’s about team.
That’s one of the reasons Hawthorn we’re the most successful club in the last decade.
I never forget watching Hodge play in a reserves game coming back from injury and playing like his life was on the line . That’s @#$%&! leadership

Gibbs had it in him at times. I remember a game against Geelong where he lead kick 4 went in like a man possessed.
I thought finally the penny has dropped
Nope he was back to his soft ways after that
A very soft player blessed with an abundance of talent.
He knew he would never be dropped for squibbing contests.
Then he goes to Adelaide and guess what.
Can’t get a game.
At least Nicks seems to have a plan
That action has an effect on the whole team
The same thing should have happened to Murphy. He never gets dropped for playing soft footy
Me Govern never dropped
Managed
Teague needs to develop some balls.

Of course nobody wants to talk about Gibbs off field issues. Fair enough but most know anyway Obviously his wife is very understanding. Lucky for Bryce. I hope he can or is turning things around because some blokes never get it and don’t grow up.

Teague must not accept lack of effort from any individual.
No matter who they are.
As a coach he needs to grow some balls


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:10 pm 
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CC1961 wrote:
Between R1 2011 and Rd 11 2019 (8.5 seasons)
Carlton had a total of 10 x Goal-less 1st Quarters.
5% of all games.

Under David Teague in 1.5 seasons, they have already chalked up SEVEN!!!
26% of all his games coached.

Something is NOT happening pre-game.

At the very least I'd be going with "Eye of the Tiger" or some such inspiring music pounding through speakers on the change-room walls.


Goal-less last quarters:
2011-2019 x 7
2020 x 3

Bring boom-box onto ground for 3/4 time address?


Those numbers are damning

They're asleep before they run out at the beginning of the game.
They're asleep after the half time break.

FMD. Says to keep them away from Teague.
Does he stroke them and tell them nice stories, when they should be going out to war to win, not to just turn up as a target.

Mr nice guy ... not the first time I have thought this.

He is the conductor.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:16 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Whilst everyone knows that I think list management is the most important thing to be a successful club on the field I would like to address culture And a long term plan for minute.

I can understand why Simpson and Murphy wanted to chair Gibbs of the ground
Harsh but he didn’t deserve it.
Remember when Hodge retired
Look what he achieved compared to Gibbs.
Look more importantly on how he played compared to Gibbs. Never shirked one contest.
Yet he wanted to just walk off the ground no fanfare
It’s about team.
That’s one of the reasons Hawthorn we’re the most successful club in the last decade.
I never forget watching Hodge play in a reserves game coming back from injury and playing like his life was on the line . That’s @#$%&! leadership

Gibbs had it in him at times. I remember a game against Geelong where he lead kick 4 went in like a man possessed.
I thought finally the penny has dropped
Nope he was back to his soft ways after that
A very soft player blessed with an abundance of talent.
He knew he would never be dropped for squibbing contests.
Then he goes to Adelaide and guess what.
Can’t get a game.
At least Nicks seems to have a plan
That action has an effect on the whole team
The same thing should have happened to Murphy. He never gets dropped for playing soft footy
Me Govern never dropped
Managed
Teague needs to develop some balls.

Of course nobody wants to talk about Gibbs off field issues. Fair enough but most know anyway Obviously his wife is very understanding. Lucky for Bryce. I hope he can or is turning things around because some blokes never get it and don’t grow up.

Teague must not accept lack of effort from any individual.
No matter who they are.
As a coach he needs to grow some balls


Good post keogh. Agree.

Hodge is the type of leadership our "leaders" should try to follow.

I know he's been playing in the midfield, but Murphy might hurt his shoulders if he lays too many tackles.
He might get injured in the contest, and then we have to play our undeveloped kids from the reserves to play his position.

The longer Murphy plays, the less respect we have for him, from the more we see of him, as we forget his deeds in his golden years.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:42 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Those numbers are damning

They're asleep before they run out at the beginning of the game.
They're asleep after the half time break.

FMD. Says to keep them away from Teague.
Does he stroke them and tell them nice stories, when they should be going out to war to win, not to just turn up as a target.

Mr nice guy ... not the first time I have thought this.

He is the conductor.

Yep, went back even further to our 1st wooden spoon year and in 17.5 of the worst seasons of the Carlton Football Club we only had a total of 19 goal-less 1st quarters out of
385 = still only 5%

v Teague's 7 from 27 @ 26%

Teague has smashed Bolton and all his predecessors in our Worst era for slow starts at a rate of 5-1 !

He'll only drop below 10% if Carlton score goals in every single first quarter for the next 2 years...

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:50 pm 
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CC1961 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Those numbers are damning

They're asleep before they run out at the beginning of the game.
They're asleep after the half time break.

FMD. Says to keep them away from Teague.
Does he stroke them and tell them nice stories, when they should be going out to war to win, not to just turn up as a target.

Mr nice guy ... not the first time I have thought this.

He is the conductor.

Yep, went back even further to our 1st wooden spoon year and in 17.5 of the worst seasons of the Carlton Football Club we only had a total of 19 goal-less 1st quarters out of
385 = still only 5%

v Teague's 7 from 27 @ 26%

Teague has smashed Bolton and all his predecessors in our Worst era for slow starts at a rate of 5-1 !

He'll only drop below 10% if Carlton score goals in every single first quarter for the next 2 years...

Jeez, CC, you're a ray of sunshine.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:56 pm 
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Sez You with hurricanes whizzing past your front door...

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:57 pm 
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Hey, is there a book on Carlton kicking a goal in the 1st v Brisbane?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:00 pm 
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CC1961 wrote:
Hey, is there a book on Carlton kicking a goal in the 1st v Brisbane?

If there is, you might try looking in the 'Fantasy' section of the library.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:04 pm 
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You are running hot tonight BS!
And up late too - still working your way down the bottle to that worm?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:13 pm 
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need to look at all these super coaches in their first year and then compare to DT


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:40 pm 
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jamespul65 wrote:
need to look at all these super coaches in their first year and then compare to DT

Good idea James: attached as requested...

I did % wins only 2 years to compare with D.T. but put in a 3rd year 'ladder position' to see how they progressed.

Interestingly, slow starts for Hardwick & Clarko but the rest were "out of the blocks" fast with Flags & Grand Finals appearances within 2 years.

Of course, I included stats for everyone on my current 'hobby horse' - 1st quarters without GOALS.

5% seems to be the 'norm' v Teague's 26%

Finally, I then went back in time (as one does) to look at Carlton's overall record on not scoring goals in 1st quarters.

Sigh...

IN ONLY ONE OTHER SEASON IN A HUNDRED YEARS has Carlton had 4 or more matches without kicking a single goal in the 1st Quarter.
- 1958 when there were 5 of them.

Teague is up to 4 already with a game still in hand AND he's on a HATRICK!


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:52 pm 
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CC1961 wrote:
Hey, is there a book on Carlton kicking a goal in the 1st v Brisbane?



Hey is there a book on Carlton losing by less than 10 goals in a final match of the season:


10 goals + - $1.01

9 goals - $1.05


8 goals. - $1.10

7 goals. - $1.25


6 goals. - $1.35


5 goals. - $1.80


4 goals - $2.00

3 goals - $3.00

2 goals. - $5.00

1 goal or less - quote your own price.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:55 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
He is becoming a broken record.
Hollow words.
We've seen it all before.



I can understand this sentiment - but ..
1. If I was coach - a press conference is not the highest priority on my to-do list.
2. I haven't had time yet to gather all the data from the game, reflect deeply and plan ideas
3. I don't want to say something not supported by the data and look like an idiot
4. I don't need the distraction of being so controversial it diverts attention from what is actually important.
5. I am a footy coach and don't necessarily have the skill set for a spontaneous beautiful and insightful turn of phrase.
6. I have already commented on the general team's performance at 17 other press conferences, not to mention countless interviews, conversations with smaller groups etc.


I think I am going to say broadly defensible obvious phrases....


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