A game plan that is founded on attack first and foremost is doomed to fail.

Carlton don't have a defensive identity. Just a moderately unique attacking style that looks good some weeks then is easily shut down once opposition coaches figure it out.

Then there is no defensive philosophy to fall back on.

Look at the Tigers. It starts and ends with defense.

Teague was a shot in the arm in the post Bolton depression period but now he is just average.

Yep, IMHO - sadly they went with this guy coz he stepped in and did what pretty well ANYONE could have done at the time: show improvement on Bolton.
So, whaddya know- they don't bother doing a proper thorough wide-field search, just 'wing it' again.

So now we're stuck with mediocre for at least another year and because he's a nice guy they'll extend.

Missing the heck out of the likes of George Harris this club is.

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Que Sera, Sera

Think he can do it but needs to change/fix a few areas
Get the team switched on and ready to play from the start
Play 4 quarters of football
Be more flexible about midfield rotation and mix
Stop haemorrhaging of goals from opposition both good and bad
Improve connection mids to forward
Forward line strategies and tactics
Get the team to be ruthless

serious question Walshy - hy do these old fellas like Teague? wht do they see that we dont? im not a huge fan of Teague, so i'm curious to know from past players

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my last one was rubbish

Giving games to young players when they aren't ready or deserving does way more harm than good.

Diesel even referenced Paddy Dow getting games when he didn't earn them as damaging to his development as he doesn't play with the intensity required for AFL level.

This is a hard year for new coaches as there is no lower level where you can get a good gauge of wether players are ready for AFL or play them back into form.

I give all first year coaches as get out of jail card this year, but he better have them playing with better cohesion and intensity this time next year.

Brittan
Pagan
Ratten
Malthouse
Bolton
Teague?
How many more coaches do we sack before their contract expires before people realise the coach ain’t the main problem

Bomb it long to an opposition defender, turn the ball over, defend too high up the ground, allow opposition to get through us with one clean possession and cut us up from half back. We're playing Pagan's paddock, for the other team!

Genius.

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

So true at times.

I enjoy what you bring to the table rob

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

Pagan's Paddock!

How good would that look at the RIGHT end of the ground right now?

I believe we've got enough 'cattle' - (ad nauseum here) it's the lack of a decent 'plan'.

How about...
- we line 4 or 5 of the forwards along the arc at centre bounces instructed to immediately spill forward in different directions to provide targets
- leave 1-2 alone inside the 50 (Pagan's Paddock)
- the 4-5 run down to aid defence if we lose the bounce, or backtrack to help crumb if the ball comes in over their heads (as it should)

Just sayin'

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Que Sera, Sera

Summed it all up right there. I like Teague but I think he needs support to get the above sorted. We need a harder edge.

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#DonTheStash

I'm interested too.
And do you have any knowledge of anyone from the AFL era that rates him?
Especially because there are no brown paper bags anymore and the game is nothing like it was back then.

Hawthorn have just told Poppy and Straton(captain) and both multiple premiership players to retire.
That's why they have won flags and that's what ruthless and successful clubs do. Move forward with youth and invest in them and you might actually be surprised at how they go with some OPPORTUNITY and faith.
We on the other hand reward Murphy, Betts and most likely Simpson with another year.
That's what we do at the boys club.

First full year in the job (to the end of rnd 17) in the weirdest year of AFL, perhaps, ever.

Ratten: won 9
Teague: won 7
Longmuir: won 7
Rutten (kinda): won 6.5
Nicks: won 3
Shaw: won 3

Plagiarism, I say.

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

This is exactly right.

I’m showing my age here but remember what happened with Maclure after the 86 grand final. The guy was a three time premiership player, 200 game player and captain of the club. He wanted to go on again. We said “sorry mate, we love what you’ve done for the club, but unfortunately you’re done”. We used to be a ruthless club. This is why we were successful. We all know what happened the next year.

Now fast forward to 2020. We’ve been horrible for 20 years. Murph, Simmo and Eddie have been great representatives of the club, but they are all 5-10 years past their prime. They haven’t won anything. Yet we treat them better than Maclure or a Hodge has been treated.

Agree Deano and David

me too

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Agreed...

The day we move Murphy, Simmo and Betts on will mean the club has just grown up.

I'm not saying they weren't great servants to the club. But culturally, we build the club.

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"...that's the thing about opinion - you don't have to know anything to have one..." Andre Agassi commenting on Pat Cash 2004
"...the less you know - the more you believe..." - Bono 2006

They're being de boltonized from running around like headless chooks for so many years. Thats not the game plan.. not sure how many times he has to say finishing plays - connection with forwards etc.

This year is hard as not able to train it and deboltonizing will take longer.