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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:16 am 
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TDK and Pitto will carry the ruck department for close to the next 10 years. TDK coming along beautifully and only just turned 21. Still has significant scope to get stronger, work on his ruck craft and continue to adjust to the speed of AFL footy. He’s our shining light from that 2017 draft. Pitto is an overqualified backup ruckman who will always be ready when required and can more than hold his own. The ruck stocks are looking strong.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:19 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
I will bite too.

I'll bite anyone who thinks about giving away The First Hand to the ball: tap or mark.
He will be better than Kreuzer and what was expected of Hampson, Jacobs and Warnock.

TDK is the real deal.
I've known that when he was a 20yo.
Now that he's rucking like a 26yo, well....The First Hand.

One day you will hear:

The King DeKoning: The First Hand at the ball

nic name King Handers The First aka King Handers I

Two out of every three ruck contests, The First Hand is attached to his opponent’s wrist.


Be careful Crusader

You have been known to become fixated to an ideal you harbour...then defend it to the hilt regardless of how fanciful it is.

I dare anyone else to come clean:

Who thinks Pittonet will be better than TDK? Any one other than Crusader? or

Anyone know anyone else who thinks a long those lines? I highly doubt it but then again Crusader just said it.

Its an opinios based site. Good onya for putting it out there for discsussion Crusader.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:22 am 
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CFC8795 wrote:
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What the faaark ! trade Tommy ? stop it now........all conversation on this subject is gotta be stopped now.

May as well trade Weiters, Walsh and Crippa while we’re at it :donk:


Would we get on first round pick for them?

First round is anything up to about pick 22....and we would get Papley, who didnt fire a shot against us last week?

Do it :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:38 am 
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Ok I’ll bite. Why would we trade TDK?

For a couple of reasons.

1. Pittonet is better and, having just turned 24, can fill the role for another 150 games.
2. Geelong want TDK and are able to pay a good price.


Yeah nah. Happy with Pittonet, especially given he was low cost. He hasn’t played a lot of AFL and can still get better. But watch TDK’s last quarter from last week and tell me he’s not a budding superstar. Absolutely no way we let him leave, especially given he’s contracted for next year.

Sinclair is deadset the worst ruckman in the game. He’s hardly the sort of scalp to underpin your coming of age story.

De Koning is 10kg short of being competitive in one on one contests and his athleticism is grossly overstated. Any idiot can fly for a mark from the back of the pack. Wake me up when he sticks one. Better yet, let me know if he’s ever in position to be better than a 50-50 chance for a stoppage.

Pittonet is up & going right now. So is the market for a De Koning trade.


That last sentence of yours is connected to a Cats supporter bringing this up after they drafted his brother last year.
They've got you hook line and sinker.

Quit whilst you're ahead Cruse. Serious.

I'm not entertaining this argument after this post, its so ludicrous, and obvious you watch the game with your eyes shut for parts of the game...the important parts...perhaps fixed with your bias. Are you Pitto's cousin?

DeKonning turned 21 in July.
Big men take longer to develop.
He's 10 kg... well more like 5 kg ...lower than where he needs.
And you want to get rid of him because he's only 97 kg at 21 yo

He's already showing amazing signs.
No ruckman wins all the taps.
Did you see the CRITICAL pack mark he took against the Swans in the last minute.
It was the start of the chain of play that got the ball to Cottrell.

As for ...your language..."Idiot?" ... is that what you call them? :screwy:

He's only 21yo. He's showing great signs. He's played 5 of the last 6 games. Missed one to rest him. The media have noticed him. He's in the conversation re his ability...not Trade material.

You're on your own on this one Crusader. Maybe you should just put it in the discussion to have bucket, rather than telling people you're fixated on this. Even you think he's worth a first rounder, when we got him for pick 30.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:40 am 
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david31 wrote:
TDK and Pitto will carry the ruck department for close to the next 10 years. TDK coming along beautifully and only just turned 21. Still has significant scope to get stronger, work on his ruck craft and continue to adjust to the speed of AFL footy. He’s our shining light from that 2017 draft. Pitto is an overqualified backup ruckman who will always be ready when required and can more than hold his own. The ruck stocks are looking strong.


Levi has one or maybe 2 years left as back up ruckman

Kreuzer has retired.

Harry has no idea yet and still needs to put on some muscle at 23yo

What happens if Pitto gets injured?
Well at the moment whilst TDK is carrying the No 1 ruck role, that doesn't matter.

WE need another ruckman to draft, not to get rid of the only bonafide potential star in the making.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:41 am 
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Did someone say KFC?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:58 am 
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CFC8795 wrote:
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What the faaark ! trade Tommy ? stop it now........all conversation on this subject is gotta be stopped now.

May as well trade Weiters, Walsh and Crippa while we’re at it :donk:


Faaark...........did you have to " 95 "...............some blokes around here would actually jump at that..............ughhhhh !

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:05 pm 
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not to sure but that ruckman at port was like p5/4 in a rookie selection


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:28 pm 
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Say whaaaa?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:45 pm 
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Tom DeKoning has been selected ahead of Pittonet.

No way we trade out our No. 1 ruckman.

Go Tommy!!!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:07 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I will bite too.

I'll bite anyone who thinks about giving away The First Hand to the ball: tap or mark.
He will be better than Kreuzer and what was expected of Hampson, Jacobs and Warnock.

TDK is the real deal.
I've known that when he was a 20yo.
Now that he's rucking like a 26yo, well....The First Hand.

One day you will hear:

The King DeKoning: The First Hand at the ball

nic name King Handers The First aka King Handers I

Two out of every three ruck contests, The First Hand is attached to his opponent’s wrist.


Be careful Crusader

You have been known to become fixated to an ideal you harbour...then defend it to the hilt regardless of how fanciful it is.

I dare anyone else to come clean:

Who thinks Pittonet will be better than TDK? Any one other than Crusader? or

Anyone know anyone else who thinks a long those lines? I highly doubt it but then again Crusader just said it.

Its an opinios based site. Good onya for putting it out there for discsussion Crusader.

I have?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:29 am 
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Callan Ward.

Could we find a role for him next season?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:39 am 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Callan Ward.

Could we find a role for him next season?

If Kemp starts playing we'll need a water bottle guy for the seconds

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:51 am 
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Crusader wrote:
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Ok I’ll bite. Why would we trade TDK?

For a couple of reasons.

1. Pittonet is better and, having just turned 24, can fill the role for another 150 games.
2. Geelong want TDK and are able to pay a good price.


Crusader... Time to lay off the kool aid mate. TDK and Pit are not even comparable. TDK is a future premier ruckman of the league. He has attributes the Pitto can only dream of. I love Pitto and he is a fantastic addition to the team as a backup ruckman but that's all he is. Pittonet is a battler in every sense of the word, which is both a compliment and a criticism. You can rely on him to compete and have a crack but you're not going to look to him to win games for you.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:17 pm 
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It's not just the coaching that appears to be a big problem.

List management/drafting by Silvagni and co has not been up to scratch on what we've seen so far.

People can point out a drafting/trading win here or there, but if you want to win flags you need to have lots of them.

Dow not impressive/can't get a game.

O'Brien has ~35 games under his belt - what's his weapon?

Weitering (#1), Walsh (#1) have come on again this year. Setterfield has done well. TDK showing a bit.

SPS? Cuningham?

It's those later picks that are key - they're not looking great.

The biggest indictment is the amount of midfield time Ed Curnow still gets (as a ballwinner). What does that say about the drafting/development of midfielders?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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I like to think that some bold decisions will be made this offseason, at least so our young guys realise they're all on thin ice that could crack at any moment.

Right now they'll be thinking that ice is pretty @#$%&! thick.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:01 pm 
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"The Blues are back!!!!" screamed our skipper after a barely acceptable win against a young Gold Coast side coming off a 4 day break after playing Richmond, and after having barely gotten over Fremantle with a miracle kick.

Have loved Cripps over the years but that's when I was concerned that the internal expectations of this group appeared to be "close enough is good enough". Don't know the workings of the inner sanctum but that is such a typical attitude symptomatic of our footy club and why we find ourselves in this position.

Are we ruthless ? What are the expectations? No where near it at the moment. Just content to get close and then relax / have a laugh.

Pathetic.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:12 pm 
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Teague's press conference just proved what a useless Coach & Club we are.... The same old stories... The same old excuses....


" We need to do this, we need to do that..... We are not there yet.... "


What the hell have u been doing for the last 30 years???


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Hard to be a good team when your leaders aren't setting the standard.


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If we don't get Williams from GWS we are so [REDACTED]


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