Can you picture our players ever doing this?


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He might not be a Cotchin, but with a Rodeo background, you can't say he would't be hard at it in the middle.
You just have to look at his stats.
2017 he played 20 games averaging 14 disposals, 2.1 clearances, 4.8 tackles and kicked 10 goals.
2018 he played 22 games averaging 16.1 disposals, 1.3 clearances, 4.3 tackles and kicked 5 goals.
2019 he played 22 games averaging 19.1 disposals, 2.1 clearances, 4.4 tackles and kicked 4 goals.
2020 he has played 13 games averaging 12.5 disposals, 1 clearance, 2.2 tackles and 0 goals.
What is happening, is he is being played out of position.

And as a comparison:
Trents tackling and clearance average stats. for his first 4 years.
2008 2.1 tackles, 0 clearances
2009 2.1 tackles, 0 clearances
2010 3.9 tackles, 4.8 clearances
2011 3.3 tackles, 6.1 clearances

They aren’t allowed.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Have you or anyone seen SPS play in the same 'fearless, intense' fashion in which Cotchin plays?

SPS does not hunt the footy the way Cotchin does in heavy congestion. Perhaps what's happening is SPS does work hard enough, doesn't run both ways and needs to lift his work rate for 4 quarters. I'm surprised he is still getting a game.

Regards Cazzesman

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As are 90-95% of Carlton supporters

Is he being taught a lesson about def pressure and not up to it????????
Is he being taught a lesson about def pressure and just sooking it?????
Is he being taught a lesson about def pressure and lost all confidence???????

Whatever is happening, it has happened all year with no change to the strategy

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I thought we did for Walsh or someone last year?

BTW did Mitch get a free for that?

No.

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He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

Chalk and cheese.

There's a reason Cotchin was debated as a No1 pick.

Cotchin is fanatical at nunting the ball.

I watch SPS and the thought of Cotchin at the time is miles and miles away.
I can't see the similarity. Not one bit.

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Yeah I was watching and amazed there was no free. Absolutely a 2-for-1. No way in a million years a Carlton player would have got away with it, and the Carlton player would have missed!

I think you’re the one who is confused, so I will spell it out for you in simple terms... players are being played out of position!!!!!

I agree with you, I would have Fisher in the centre square rotations too!!!

Fish averaged 19 touches a game as a 17 year old in the WAFL...

I would also have Dow (who was the best performed mid out of the top 10 kids in his draft year) in centre square rotations too!!!!

I wouldn’t totally banish the old boys, Curnow, Murphy etc there should be a balance, the youngsters need to develop, they are the ones who will take us significantly further....

As for SPS, his first 2 and half years playing as a mid/forward compared very well with Cotchin’s first few years... SPS had more Brownlow votes at the same stage of their careers.

Cotchin is a champion, however he had issues with his tank and dealing with tags, he wasn’t the finished product in his early years at Richmond, yet

SPS, Dow or Fisher aren’t the finished product yet either, few are this early in their career.

However our three young mids have shown promising signs, who can win their own ball, and since Teague has arrived they’ve been banished from centre square rotations, stalling their development!!!

As for SPS, checkout his stats when played as a mid.... also checkout round 7, 2017 and round 5, 2019, he was brilliant (against serious opposition with excellent, deep midfields), contested possessions/clearances, i50s, tackles, score involvements etc. etc. etc. etc.

SPS, Dow or Fisher aren’t the finished product yet either, few are this early in their career.

However our three young mids have shown promising signs, who can win their own ball, and since Teague has arrived they’ve been banished from centre square rotations, stalling their development!!!

Perhaps they are simply being educated in playing in team roles. Teague's mantra is 'Everyone plays their role.'

Dow and Fisher have had a difficult year with injury and with Walsh, Martin, Gibbons and Setterfield rotating through there is no room for them at the moment. Fisher has latched onto the small forward role and been pretty consistent except for last week again GWS, but he copped a heavy knock.

SPS has had a very poor year and he is lucky to still be getting a game. If he was as good as you suggest he could be onball, why can't he be more creative and get his 20 poss of the HBF like the better, hard running defenders do. He has average 12.5 poss this year. Not good enough even when playing as a HBFer/Winger. He could get 6 poss a game just from HBR'd if he tried. Adam SAAD always has the ball in his hand gaining meters from the give and go.

The blame lays with SPS's work ethic, not Teague's decision to play him outside the square. Teague no-doubt wants him to be creative and use his evasion and vision to set up play, but he isn't doing that.

Regards Cazzesman

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I suspect the answer to the SPS conundrum lies somewhere in the middle.

He needs to work harder but more midfield time for him might be a bit like some more chicken soup when you have a cold, “it wouldn’t hurt”.

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Cotchins career started with an achilles injury that kept him from virtually playing any football in his first year, and his second year started a long way behind. No hope of winning Brownlow votes. Carlton supporters let out a sigh of relief we took Kreuzer at No 1, not Cotchin. When Cotchin got on his bike, fit again, he showed us why he was taken at No2, and for some, like me, why he should have been taken at pick No 1.

I really wasn't kind towards Cotchin in his first 2 years, but I was young and silly back then.

But I understand why you want more time for players we drafted in the positions we drafted them for, and agree.

I'm not as cocky as you with regards to SPS ability.
Allright, he got Brownlow votes on a wet slippery day, and played another 20+ games in the midfield after that and didn't win another vote. Just sayin'.

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I can only lay the blame with SPS.

From what I saw of his last 2 games, and especially the GWS game playing at HB with the whole field infront of him, he has no excuse for nly 6 possessions.

His half paced jogs gave me the shits. Anyone giving less than 100% in a Carlton jumper gives me the shits: leaders and rookies.

I can't see how one can defend that sort of effort. Teague can't run for him, and if he wants the easy ball across HB, all he has to do is time his run fr the handball to keep attacking from HB, but he isn't. Its as simple as that imo.

Will SPS make a fist of an opportunity to play in the midfield in his current form? Lets not embarrass him. We will lose Trade value for a start. He needs to go back to the ressies, work hard, find form and earn a spot.

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I sometimes wonder do any posters on here watch any other football.
Have they seen the size of players who are contesting centre square bounces.
They are balls of muscle.
Supporters here want to send our whippets in to compete with greyhounds.
They might get the rabbit once but only after the greyhounds have had a feast.
SPS Dow O'Brien's Fisher are skinny little runts it would be no good for their development to put them in the middle and get beat up.
Simpson never attended centre bounces because he would get brushed aside.
Think of the injuries Murphy had when he was younger.
Bolton played these guys in the middle and sent them backwards.
There are not to many Sam Walsh in this world.
Fisher will never be big and unless he has 2 monsters to protect him he will get brushed aside and there is no way he or others could cope with a hard tag.
Teague has been doing the right thing he is putting the best available in the middle to give us a chance of winning. Learning to win is far better for the development of the players than sacrificing wins so that these guys can have their own personal development.
Football is a team game and you put the needs of the team in front of the individual.


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Great post SB.

The ticket is the 2 monsters on either side to expedite development, but we only have one.

I look at Drugcheats* midfield of midgets. Not the Mosquito Fleet either.
I look at players like Cripps Setterfield Kemp and they are or will be midfield monsters.

Maybe Walsh Philp Honey will be the 3rd big sized mid.

It was stupid sending in kids to clock up games thinking the evelopment comes from number of games.

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Not asking that Teague play Fisher, Dow and SPS in the middle at the same time (like Bolton did) but singularly they should be attending centre bounces at relevant points during the game.

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Yep...coaches have to find different ways to turn on the switch...stubbornly keeping him at HB is not working

Teague can't have it both ways. If he wants him at HB and he's not delivering, FFS drop him

Otherwise a spell elsewhere on the ground could also be part of that 'switch flicking' strategy. It's as though Teague has now dug his heels in and doesn't want to admit he couldve done things differently (that's how it looks anyway)

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But he has the power to place the word, 'omitted' next to his name on a Thursday night
Why are we even discussing this? SPSs year has been soooooo poor that he shouldve been dropped 3-5 weeks ago
That's Teague's fault

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