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Unless the lovechild is injured, I can't see this happening.
Teague has already stated he is required in the forward line and until Teague stops thinking like a forwards coach he will be in this week and the next.


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I’m not be facetious, but an anyone recall what was being said about Hardwick and the tigers after a year?

I am being honest here. I can’t even remember where they came and how they played?

I suspect game intuition has to come into play at some point....which ultimately takes time.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:31 pm 
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muzza wrote:
I’m not be facetious, but an anyone recall what was being said about Hardwick and the tigers after a year?

I am being honest here. I can’t even remember where they came and how they played?

I suspect game intuition has to come into play at some point....which ultimately takes time.

Fair point. It'll be great if it does, we definitely have the building blocks and talent if used correctly.
But the blinding difference for me as players is Hardwick is a 2 x premiership player that played 200 plus games and was an All Australian.
Teague played 83 games and 50 of those were in the worst AFL team in the last 20 years.
Not that it should make a difference, but surely one has more of a win at all costs mentality than the other.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:21 pm 
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Top 4 team scores 2pts in a quarter agains the Pies. But Carlton are shit.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:23 pm 
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The Normal One wrote:
Top 4 team scores 2pts in a quarter agains the Pies. But Carlton are shit.


When was the last time we were a top 4 team? :grin:


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:55 pm 
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Top 4 team scores 2pts in a quarter agains the Pies. But Carlton are shit.

Turns around and kicks 5 goals to 1 in Q2 - the same amount of goals Carlton have kicked in total across the last 6 quarters :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:23 pm 
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I did only mention the first quarter :-)


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:26 pm 
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This is interesting. Remove each team's worst scoring qtr and we're undefeated, 4 games clear. That suggests we're capable..... just not for 4 quarters.

https://twitter.com/uglybustards/status ... 62368?s=19

edit: it only removes our worst qtrs. slightly skewed.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:56 pm 
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When opposition teams go up a level, we don't go with them. We just don't seem to have that extra gear.
I don't believe the slow the game down and hold onto the ball philosophy is our issue. Our issue is going head to head with oppositions aggression and will to win the ball and contest at every opportunity. We don't have the win the contest at all costs mentality.


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When opposition teams go up a level, we don't go with them. We just don't seem to have that extra gear.
I don't believe the slow the game down and hold onto the ball philosophy is our issue. Our issue is going head to head with oppositions aggression and will to win the ball and contest at every opportunity. We don't have the win the contest at all costs mentality.

Brisbane went in to bat for Mitch last night with a 20 player melee (synonym for ballroom dancing) which we never do.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:50 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
muzza wrote:
I’m not be facetious, but an anyone recall what was being said about Hardwick and the tigers after a year?

I am being honest here. I can’t even remember where they came and how they played?

I suspect game intuition has to come into play at some point....which ultimately takes time.

Fair point. It'll be great if it does, we definitely have the building blocks and talent if used correctly.
But the blinding difference for me as players is Hardwick is a 2 x premiership player that played 200 plus games and was an All Australian.
Teague played 83 games and 50 of those were in the worst AFL team in the last 20 years.
Not that it should make a difference, but surely one has more of a win at all costs mentality than the other.


Sorry Sidefx but that comparison does not wash- so, RD Barrasi played 6 premierships; as a coach, won 4. Tom Hafey, on the other hand, never experienced the ultimate glory whilst carving out a humble existence as a back pocket specialist for 70 odd games. Yet, how many premierships did he win as a coach? That's right, 4! Now, I'm not comparing Teague to Hafey- but surely, let's cut him some slack......DT has only been in the job for over a year......and it will take time for the whole team and club to gel :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:08 am 
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TBWKTM wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
muzza wrote:
I’m not be facetious, but an anyone recall what was being said about Hardwick and the tigers after a year?

I am being honest here. I can’t even remember where they came and how they played?

I suspect game intuition has to come into play at some point....which ultimately takes time.

Fair point. It'll be great if it does, we definitely have the building blocks and talent if used correctly.
But the blinding difference for me as players is Hardwick is a 2 x premiership player that played 200 plus games and was an All Australian.
Teague played 83 games and 50 of those were in the worst AFL team in the last 20 years.
Not that it should make a difference, but surely one has more of a win at all costs mentality than the other.


Sorry Sidefx but that comparison does not wash- so, RD Barrasi played 6 premierships; as a coach, won 4. Tom Hafey, on the other hand, never experienced the ultimate glory whilst carving out a humble existence as a back pocket specialist for 70 odd games. Yet, how many premierships did he win as a coach? That's right, 4! Now, I'm not comparing Teague to Hafey- but surely, let's cut him some slack......DT has only been in the job for over a year......and it will take time for the whole team and club to gel :thumbsup:

I see what you are saying, which is why I said it shouldn't make a difference, but that was too long ago to compare to modern football. A better comparison more recently is Chris Fagan, who is doing wonders with the Lions.
But Teague has been in charge for 1 and half seasons now and the only visible moves he has made is playing seniors over kids.
Does anyone know what else he has done to implement his game plan, what is his game plan and why are we going backwards in wins % wise this year not forwards? We have talented kids, just not the physical size and they're are supposed to be developing, but it's hard when they are stuck in the two's.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:39 am 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
This is interesting. Remove each team's worst scoring qtr and we're undefeated, 4 games clear. That suggests we're capable..... just not for 4 quarters.

https://twitter.com/uglybustards/status ... 62368?s=19

edit: it only removes our worst qtrs. slightly skewed.

That's.....amazing. Sure, it discounts other teams' worst but it still shows just how costly these patches are for us.

Again, the players need to be shown this stuff. They need to know just how close they are and the consequences of @#$%&! up.

For so long the weight of consequences hasn't seemed as high, because we were not a contender. Everytime we'd have a 30+ turnaround (which was a pre-Teague thing as well) we'd point to green shoots, or focus on the positives. Now these things are costing us finals, it has a whole new meaning.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:54 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
TBWKTM wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
muzza wrote:
I’m not be facetious, but an anyone recall what was being said about Hardwick and the tigers after a year?

I am being honest here. I can’t even remember where they came and how they played?

I suspect game intuition has to come into play at some point....which ultimately takes time.

Fair point. It'll be great if it does, we definitely have the building blocks and talent if used correctly.
But the blinding difference for me as players is Hardwick is a 2 x premiership player that played 200 plus games and was an All Australian.
Teague played 83 games and 50 of those were in the worst AFL team in the last 20 years.
Not that it should make a difference, but surely one has more of a win at all costs mentality than the other.


Sorry Sidefx but that comparison does not wash- so, RD Barrasi played 6 premierships; as a coach, won 4. Tom Hafey, on the other hand, never experienced the ultimate glory whilst carving out a humble existence as a back pocket specialist for 70 odd games. Yet, how many premierships did he win as a coach? That's right, 4! Now, I'm not comparing Teague to Hafey- but surely, let's cut him some slack......DT has only been in the job for over a year......and it will take time for the whole team and club to gel :thumbsup:

I see what you are saying, which is why I said it shouldn't make a difference, but that was too long ago to compare to modern football. A better comparison more recently is Chris Fagan, who is doing wonders with the Lions.

And I agree with you Sidefx about the game plan; and Teague's reliance on bigger, older bodies to buttress the midfield. Quite possibly, this is the planned development we have yearned for, not the potentially loaded phase under Bolton- I don't know.... What Fagan has in his favour is quality older players to shield the younger players in their careers. We don't have the numbers and quality yet- say, if we got a Zac Williams and a Papley, this would release Gibbons and others into the midfield and change the dynamic of the side :?:
But Teague has been in charge for 1 and half seasons now and the only visible moves he has made is playing seniors over kids.
Does anyone know what else he has done to implement his game plan, what is his game plan and why are we going backwards in wins % wise this year not forwards? We have talented kids, just not the physical size and they're are supposed to be developing, but it's hard when they are stuck in the two's.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:08 am 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
This is interesting. Remove each team's worst scoring qtr and we're undefeated, 4 games clear. That suggests we're capable..... just not for 4 quarters.

https://twitter.com/uglybustards/status ... 62368?s=19

edit: it only removes our worst qtrs. slightly skewed.


Fantastic find Horse of the Perfect Colour.

We are not that far off.

There's a few things we need to fix up/ tighten up and we are top 4 let alone top 8.

Mathematically we are still a shot, albeit a long one.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:33 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
I’m going to be a little ruthless here on some players but I feel it needs t9 be said.
I felt Dow was introduced a little too quickly and we didn’t make him earn the spot like others.
Cottrell re-inclusion has me scratching my head. Kid lacks polish and needs to do a fair bit of work to stay on the list, let alone get games in front of say an O’Brien.
I wasn’t a fan of McGovern and he hasn’t done anything to change that. How did we make him earn his spot back this week? After that effort, I expect him to be dropped for the Sydney game. Let’s see if Teague agrees.



Well said Surrey.

I was a Gov fan and I still have faith in him.
Amazing football and physical specimen.

But I agree with all your suggestions.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:36 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
Unless the lovechild is injured, I can't see this happening.
Teague has already stated he is required in the forward line and until Teague stops thinking like a forwards coach he will be in this week and the next.



I don't care much for statistics as much as I do for the eye.
So we score 3 more goals when Gov plays. Not vs GWS....so there you go.

Teague is playing favourites and with this he's not doing the player nor the team any favourites.

Last year when Gov was dropped to get him match fit under Russell's supervision, he jumped and ran and bumped harder than ever before.
He needs a rocket again, and if Teague can't do that, then Teague needs the rocket.

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I never thought I'd say this...but get Luke Hodge to the club.

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Blue Sombrero wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
When opposition teams go up a level, we don't go with them. We just don't seem to have that extra gear.
I don't believe the slow the game down and hold onto the ball philosophy is our issue. Our issue is going head to head with oppositions aggression and will to win the ball and contest at every opportunity. We don't have the win the contest at all costs mentality.

Brisbane went in to bat for Mitch last night with a 20 player melee (synonym for ballroom dancing) which we never do.


Soft cocks.

Please no more priveleged and pampered kids.

They should be playing in the Amateurs

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Sidefx wrote:
TBWKTM wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
muzza wrote:
I’m not be facetious, but an anyone recall what was being said about Hardwick and the tigers after a year?

I am being honest here. I can’t even remember where they came and how they played?

I suspect game intuition has to come into play at some point....which ultimately takes time.

Fair point. It'll be great if it does, we definitely have the building blocks and talent if used correctly.
But the blinding difference for me as players is Hardwick is a 2 x premiership player that played 200 plus games and was an All Australian.
Teague played 83 games and 50 of those were in the worst AFL team in the last 20 years.
Not that it should make a difference, but surely one has more of a win at all costs mentality than the other.


Sorry Sidefx but that comparison does not wash- so, RD Barrasi played 6 premierships; as a coach, won 4. Tom Hafey, on the other hand, never experienced the ultimate glory whilst carving out a humble existence as a back pocket specialist for 70 odd games. Yet, how many premierships did he win as a coach? That's right, 4! Now, I'm not comparing Teague to Hafey- but surely, let's cut him some slack......DT has only been in the job for over a year......and it will take time for the whole team and club to gel :thumbsup:

I see what you are saying, which is why I said it shouldn't make a difference, but that was too long ago to compare to modern football. A better comparison more recently is Chris Fagan, who is doing wonders with the Lions.
But Teague has been in charge for 1 and half seasons now and the only visible moves he has made is playing seniors over kids.
Does anyone know what else he has done to implement his game plan, what is his game plan and why are we going backwards in wins % wise this year not forwards? We have talented kids, just not the physical size and they're are supposed to be developing, but it's hard when they are stuck in the two's.


Development still a major issue at Carlton till someone proves that wrong.

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