I’m fine with you being critical of McGovern; just make arguments that are logical. Your one re. McAdam having more desire because he wasn’t drafted as an 18 year old is an illogical one.

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I'd shop Casboult around, and lose Simpson and Betts for a start

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Best post I’ve ever written
Some blokes get told there not good enough and put the pacifier in the mouth
Not Mc Adam.
He plays that way.
Not illogical at all.
If you want further proof look at all the AFL lists.
Guys you don’t give up play senior footy at a lower level and develop later.
Have you seen him play?

Would've been the difference tonight

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Not McGovern either. That’s why he was also drafted as a mature aged player.

And yes, I have seen McAdam play quite a bit. I’m not as convinced of him as you are.

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Our future prospects hinge on 3 key areas for me:
1: can Marchbank get on the park and can be play key position. Someone will need to replace Jones in coming years. I’m not convinced yet that Marchbank can go 1on1 with the big key forwards. If he can’t, then I think we’re missing a key defender.

2: can we fill our need for inside/outside midfielders (ie players who are equally good at both). We don’t have many (maybe none at all) who can do this at the moment. Do we recruit to fill the need, can we develop it in our existing list, or can we do both?

3: in coaching, rather than list management, can we implement our game plan more consistently, can we become more damaging when forward of centre, can we slow/stop the momentum swings and can we develop a stronger mindset.

For me, these are the things I’d be wanting answers to throughout this off season and into 2021.

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Let’s be completely honest. The first major move should be the President.
We need a new representative of this great club.
They don’t grow on trees but surely someone with a positive public image is out there.
Culture of this club needs a huge improvement.

If that's what Zac Williams looks like in a winning team, I'm not sure he's worth the money we are going to have to fork out for him.

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In his presser Teague mentioned that our priority in the offseason would be "inside/outside" types, which would rule out Wines, Crouch etc.

When you consider our inability to deliver the footy once it's out of the centre, it makes sense. Unfortunately you'd like to think that Dow, LOB, Fisher or Cuningham would be penciled for this sort of role, but Teague seems to have different plans.

So who would these types be? Z.Williams could definitely fit that bill, but probably best we hop off that train.

Would they consider Rory Atkins as an RFA? Seemed to be doing well before his injury this year and has plenty of experience.

Perhaps Caldwell from the Giants for our 2nd? Out of contract this year and may get pushed out to keep some of their more senior guys there.

Could we see Papley in the role?

Who else?

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Mc Govern was recruited as a 20 year old from Claremont.
In 43 games for the Crows he had some flashes of brilliance but showed he needed to lift his work rate significantly. He has had a charm run at Carlton.

So tell me why based on that output you would give up 3 players, pay $700000 a year for 5 years for a guy with that record when the club has had its worst season(2018) in its history and where it is clear that our midfield stocks are thin??

Setterfield is average. A big bodied mid who doesn’t play like a big bodied mid has poor pace and doesn’t move the pill quickly by hand or foot. He looks weak in the contest. In games like last night he goes MIA
His stats look ok but his overall impact is poor
Why have we scored one goal in 42 forward 50 entries.
Slow ball movement. Inability to keep the ball in our forward half.
McGovern and Setterfield are two of the reasons. There are others but I’m highlighting these 2 because they cost us 5 potentially good players.

They both need to improve to warrant what we gave up for them particularly McGovern. He doesn’t deserve a game on last nights effort.

These were decisions made by favourite son SOS

If Hughes or Rogers had made them would some posters see it differently

Our future midfield is the problem
SOSs 2019 crop have yet to be truly tested
Teague needs to play Honey Ramsay Philp Phillips and Owies
at the expense of the old crew and a few others who arnt doing enough
What’s he got to lose
Do you think that will happen
Nope

And Zac Williams
Nope don’t give up picks for another overrated footballer

Age profile of the list is a concern.

Most of the older players on the list can't influence the game positively in the tight ones. Most of them seem to feature a missed yet gettable Murphy goal, Simpson's had ~6 tackles for the year, Kreuzer not on the park, Curnow's kicking under pressure is suspect, Betts goes missing for 3 quarters most games now.

As mentioned in another post, I'd rather look at Breust than Papley to address this area. Possibly Gunston too if there's a significant offer in play for Casboult and mind is made up re: McGovern.

I wonder if Trent Cotchin is available at the end of the year. Seems to not all be well re: how his wife was treated earlier in the year. 30, probably has two years left. Feel like he'd be a good mentor for Walsh. Fits the bill of a seasoned veteran with finals experience, and plays a position to influence the contest and momentum swings in a Hodge type role.

Free agent, so we wouldn't be.

Having said that. What would Witherden be worth on the trade market?

Like you thinking Rod
Williams in my view is a must and only costs dollars
Witherden would be worth considering but might have many suitors

Williams did nothing last night against us.

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Yes and wasn’t playing in midfield is wasted on hbf
Have a look at his performance in the finals last year as a mid and performances generally when he plays predominantly as a midfielder
Let’s see also how he performs in finals when GWS play them

The Williams one is interesting in the context of our interest in Brandon Ellis last year. If we stopped all contact once they asked for too much, appreciating that Williams is both a better player and still with far more upside, at what point do we do similar, assuming North eventually offer him 18years/2 mill a year to knock back?

He is being spoken about in terms of being a running HBF for us to replace Simmo, not a mid.
But we will see.
I am a bit gun-shy about these massive deals...

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