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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:08 pm 
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Beijing Blue wrote:
Outcoached today. Badly.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:29 pm 
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BigGartos wrote:
Beijing Blue wrote:
Outcoached today. Badly.

Care to elaborate?


For starters did not address Collingwood attacking through the fat side continually. Dreadful forward structure. I know it is up to the players to carry out the directions but we lost all composure. On field leadership is a major concern. Do the players know what do do when a side gets a run on? Glaring issue. We also have players that are not good enough. Yet.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:30 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Another 30+ turnaround to add to his ledger.


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This is now the 14th time in 21 games under David Teague that Carlton has conceded a 30-point swing. @AFLcomau


Unacceptable

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:42 pm 
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No Plan B

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:07 am 
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No Plan B


I think Plan B is “stick with Plan A”

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:33 am 
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Starting to talk all in cliche
Its it bit of a worry.
He was brilliant and honest for a while.
Need to send that coach whisperer packing and just be yourself. It is what got you there in the first place

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:58 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
Effes wrote:
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Another 30+ turnaround to add to his ledger.


Number 15?

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This is now the 14th time in 21 games under David Teague that Carlton has conceded a 30-point swing. @AFLcomau


Unacceptable


Frustrating team to watch knowing that they're going to be witches hats for at least a 1/4 per game.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:14 am 
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Its time the young mids we drafted to build the club around for the future are actually played there.
Fisher is rotting away in a FP.
Gibbons is wasted as a forward, he won 2 liston medals as a MID.
Cunningham got a chance and killed the Scum then put straight back in our forward line. Wasted
SPS is dying a slow football death as a HB. Break out games last season as a MID now wasted down back.
Kennedy clearly needed to play yesterday and has improved with more OPPORTUNITY as a Mid. Wasted playing scratch match.
O'Brien played really well on the wing late last season. Wasting away in scratch matches.
Martin needs to go through the midfield much more.
Walsh has been super on the wing BUT he is elite as an on baller/clearance player.
Stocker played last season BUT as a HB not the midfield bull we drafted him for.
Im sick of seeing the same 4 guys in the middle not getting it done.
We need more rotations Inc Cripps.
Murphy should be cleared out of the centre square and never to return. Has he actually ever won a centre clearance???
I can't remember the last time i saw him streaming away with the ball moving it forward from a centre bounce.
Setterfield needs to be rotated forward more coz he can actually mark it well and has good forward craft.
We have the bloody Midfield talent it's about time we used them there and not try to re invent the wheel.
Im just not sure what Teague is trying to achieve.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:32 am 
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I agree with Deano. It has become very clear that we need a lot more speed and skill in the midfield group.
Fisher and Cunners have speed and skill. Both are begging for an opportunity. Cunners gets his opportunity vs the scum and McGrath, Merrett, Smith etc who are meant to have speed couldn’t lay a glove on him. Was pretty much BOG. Then straight back to starvation corner in the forward pocket. Baffling. Fisher has been re-purposed as a small forward and hasn’t been given a go in the middle.
Rotate Fisher and Cunners through half forward and midfield. They don’t have to be on ball all game but at least give them a go. If you give split their time between midfield, half forward and stints off the ground, then at least we have some pace through the middle at all times.
SPS is wasting away at half back. I understand trying to work on his defensive game but it’s just not working.
I can’t see the justification for having Murphy in the middle over Walsh. Walsh more combative, quicker and now more reliable with ball in hand. Walshy has made it work for him on the wing, which is a testament to him, but he should be given more time in the middle. Murph no longer be in the middle. He’s a wingman or half forward at this point in his career. Cannot consistently do the hard stuff required to play inside the contest.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:59 pm 
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i think david needs help in coaches box ,he doesnt make enough changes for my liking.eg plowman on stephenson he was always to quick for plow but no change was made.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:06 pm 
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jamespul65 wrote:
i think david needs help in coaches box ,he doesnt make enough changes for my liking.eg plowman on stephenson he was always to quick for plow but no change was made.


Plow is good on the small forwards.

Does Teague know that? Does he think that? Is the notion a fallacy?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:28 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
Its time the young mids we drafted to build the club around for the future are actually played there.
Fisher is rotting away in a FP.
Gibbons is wasted as a forward, he won 2 liston medals as a MID.
Cunningham got a chance and killed the Scum then put straight back in our forward line. Wasted
SPS is dying a slow football death as a HB. Break out games last season as a MID now wasted down back.
Kennedy clearly needed to play yesterday and has improved with more OPPORTUNITY as a Mid. Wasted playing scratch match.
O'Brien played really well on the wing late last season. Wasting away in scratch matches.
Martin needs to go through the midfield much more.
Walsh has been super on the wing BUT he is elite as an on baller/clearance player.
Stocker played last season BUT as a HB not the midfield bull we drafted him for.
Im sick of seeing the same 4 guys in the middle not getting it done.
We need more rotations Inc Cripps.
Murphy should be cleared out of the centre square and never to return. Has he actually ever won a centre clearance???
I can't remember the last time i saw him streaming away with the ball moving it forward from a centre bounce.
Setterfield needs to be rotated forward more coz he can actually mark it well and has good forward craft.
We have the bloody Midfield talent it's about time we used them there and not try to re invent the wheel.
Im just not sure what Teague is trying to achieve.


I have to say, I agree with most of this and it's all starting to make me a little uneasy.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:04 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
deano35 wrote:
Its time the young mids we drafted to build the club around for the future are actually played there.
Fisher is rotting away in a FP.
Gibbons is wasted as a forward, he won 2 liston medals as a MID.
Cunningham got a chance and killed the Scum then put straight back in our forward line. Wasted
SPS is dying a slow football death as a HB. Break out games last season as a MID now wasted down back.
Kennedy clearly needed to play yesterday and has improved with more OPPORTUNITY as a Mid. Wasted playing scratch match.
O'Brien played really well on the wing late last season. Wasting away in scratch matches.
Martin needs to go through the midfield much more.
Walsh has been super on the wing BUT he is elite as an on baller/clearance player.
Stocker played last season BUT as a HB not the midfield bull we drafted him for.
Im sick of seeing the same 4 guys in the middle not getting it done.
We need more rotations Inc Cripps.
Murphy should be cleared out of the centre square and never to return. Has he actually ever won a centre clearance???
I can't remember the last time i saw him streaming away with the ball moving it forward from a centre bounce.
Setterfield needs to be rotated forward more coz he can actually mark it well and has good forward craft.
We have the bloody Midfield talent it's about time we used them there and not try to re invent the wheel.
Im just not sure what Teague is trying to achieve.


I have to say, I agree with most of this and it's all starting to make me a little uneasy.


I'm in the same boat.
We all know Teague is favouring the senior players for wins over youth development, but now is the time to make the change back. I doubt we will make finals with games against GWS and the Lions. But this also doesn't mean we just roll over either.

Do you think we are ahead of last year, the same or behind?

2019 - Under Teague, 11 games with 6 wins.
2020 - 13 games with 6 wins, plus we added Betts, Martin, Newnes and Pitto in the off season.

What we have given up is development into the kids and possibly Matt Rowell (if we stayed on the bottom last year), who will be one of the best footballers we will see, bar injury. I do believe a winning culture is always better than a losing one, but did we get up off the bottom 1 year too soon?

I just hope what we have done so far is enough to attract the serious senior talent we have been lacking in the middle.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:15 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
deano35 wrote:
Its time the young mids we drafted to build the club around for the future are actually played there.
Fisher is rotting away in a FP.
Gibbons is wasted as a forward, he won 2 liston medals as a MID.
Cunningham got a chance and killed the Scum then put straight back in our forward line. Wasted
SPS is dying a slow football death as a HB. Break out games last season as a MID now wasted down back.
Kennedy clearly needed to play yesterday and has improved with more OPPORTUNITY as a Mid. Wasted playing scratch match.
O'Brien played really well on the wing late last season. Wasting away in scratch matches.
Martin needs to go through the midfield much more.
Walsh has been super on the wing BUT he is elite as an on baller/clearance player.
Stocker played last season BUT as a HB not the midfield bull we drafted him for.
Im sick of seeing the same 4 guys in the middle not getting it done.
We need more rotations Inc Cripps.
Murphy should be cleared out of the centre square and never to return. Has he actually ever won a centre clearance???
I can't remember the last time i saw him streaming away with the ball moving it forward from a centre bounce.
Setterfield needs to be rotated forward more coz he can actually mark it well and has good forward craft.
We have the bloody Midfield talent it's about time we used them there and not try to re invent the wheel.
Im just not sure what Teague is trying to achieve.


I have to say, I agree with most of this and it's all starting to make me a little uneasy.


Me too.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:45 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
Its time the young mids we drafted to build the club around for the future are actually played there.
Fisher is rotting away in a FP.
Gibbons is wasted as a forward, he won 2 liston medals as a MID.
Cunningham got a chance and killed the Scum then put straight back in our forward line. Wasted
SPS is dying a slow football death as a HB. Break out games last season as a MID now wasted down back.
Kennedy clearly needed to play yesterday and has improved with more OPPORTUNITY as a Mid. Wasted playing scratch match.
O'Brien played really well on the wing late last season. Wasting away in scratch matches.
Martin needs to go through the midfield much more.
Walsh has been super on the wing BUT he is elite as an on baller/clearance player.
Stocker played last season BUT as a HB not the midfield bull we drafted him for.
Im sick of seeing the same 4 guys in the middle not getting it done.
We need more rotations Inc Cripps.
Murphy should be cleared out of the centre square and never to return. Has he actually ever won a centre clearance???
I can't remember the last time i saw him streaming away with the ball moving it forward from a centre bounce.
Setterfield needs to be rotated forward more coz he can actually mark it well and has good forward craft.
We have the bloody Midfield talent it's about time we used them there and not try to re invent the wheel.
Im just not sure what Teague is trying to achieve.



yep


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:00 pm 
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david31 wrote:
I agree with Deano. It has become very clear that we need a lot more speed and skill in the midfield group.
Fisher and Cunners have speed and skill. Both are begging for an opportunity. Cunners gets his opportunity vs the scum and McGrath, Merrett, Smith etc who are meant to have speed couldn’t lay a glove on him. Was pretty much BOG. Then straight back to starvation corner in the forward pocket. Baffling. Fisher has been re-purposed as a small forward and hasn’t been given a go in the middle.
Rotate Fisher and Cunners through half forward and midfield. They don’t have to be on ball all game but at least give them a go. If you give split their time between midfield, half forward and stints off the ground, then at least we have some pace through the middle at all times.
SPS is wasting away at half back. I understand trying to work on his defensive game but it’s just not working.
I can’t see the justification for having Murphy in the middle over Walsh. Walsh more combative, quicker and now more reliable with ball in hand. Walshy has made it work for him on the wing, which is a testament to him, but he should be given more time in the middle. Murph no longer be in the middle. He’s a wingman or half forward at this point in his career. Cannot consistently do the hard stuff required to play inside the contest.



We have the cattle.

Opportunity is all they need.

Less games in a shortened and disrupted season hasn't helped the window of opportunity for the young ones to ply their craft.

We have speed: Cunners Philp Martin Fisher Cottrell Honey... Ramsay

We have speed with endurance: OBrien

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:37 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
Its time the young mids we drafted to build the club around for the future are actually played there.
Fisher is rotting away in a FP.
Gibbons is wasted as a forward, he won 2 liston medals as a MID.
Cunningham got a chance and killed the Scum then put straight back in our forward line. Wasted
SPS is dying a slow football death as a HB. Break out games last season as a MID now wasted down back.
Kennedy clearly needed to play yesterday and has improved with more OPPORTUNITY as a Mid. Wasted playing scratch match.
O'Brien played really well on the wing late last season. Wasting away in scratch matches.
Martin needs to go through the midfield much more.
Walsh has been super on the wing BUT he is elite as an on baller/clearance player.
Stocker played last season BUT as a HB not the midfield bull we drafted him for.
Im sick of seeing the same 4 guys in the middle not getting it done.
We need more rotations Inc Cripps.
Murphy should be cleared out of the centre square and never to return. Has he actually ever won a centre clearance???
I can't remember the last time i saw him streaming away with the ball moving it forward from a centre bounce.
Setterfield needs to be rotated forward more coz he can actually mark it well and has good forward craft.
We have the bloody Midfield talent it's about time we used them there and not try to re invent the wheel.
Im just not sure what Teague is trying to achieve.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:43 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
jamespul65 wrote:
i think david needs help in coaches box ,he doesnt make enough changes for my liking.eg plowman on stephenson he was always to quick for plow but no change was made.


Plow is good on the small forwards.

Does Teague know that? Does he think that? Is the notion a fallacy?


I reckon Plow could become a really good lockdown onballer

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:33 am 
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Need to treat this season as the weird ass thing it is and use it to get development into the younger guys. That doesn't mean gifting games to kids, but it does mean playing them through the midfield instead of having Murphy in there all the time.

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