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sorry synners I know we've gone over that Big Nick thing before (though last time you claimed it was Ashman who said it and now it's Barass - who's next God? 8))

but it really is such a silly, silly statement - and even Barass is capable of those.

If Big Nick was playing today he would not be the person he was when he played then. he'd have eaten differently, been treated differently, exercised differently and so on and so on. No one, not even you or Barass has any idea whether a genetically identical (but enviromentally different) Nick would or would not make it.

Like many arguments its all about perspective.

From yours (and those you quote to support yours) its a truth.

From mine its rubbish.


and quite frankly I prefer my perspective on this one.


Psttt dannyboy.. Barrassi and Ashman said in the same night..
bluegirldannielle was there/. :wink:

They both said Big Nick a game great and probably the best leader ever.. but a 188cm ruckman wont cut it.. and he certainly would be too slow anywhere else...

(Getting my post rate up to 2 of 3. :wink:

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I want to have it in 2 of three threads ok???


No wuckers, if you've got the time to do it.


Dnt worry ill achnowledge u on the credits... youre doing a terrific job yourself you know???

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On to the topic though, dont you love how they use the word weight when weight isn't the topic because Lance isn't fat (anymore, if he actually was)/ Is that dodgy reporting or what?

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I want to have it in 2 of three threads ok???


No wuckers, if you've got the time to do it.


Dnt worry ill achnowledge u on the credits... youre doing a terrific job yourself you know???

Yeah i reckon once I hit 500 posts people will start to respect me.... so Im posting my heart out today. Thanks for providing all the subject matter.

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yes but with today's diet would he be 188cm? With his body being fed better food form birht he might be gee 195 or 198cm...who the @#$%&! knows? Not you not Ashman and Not barass. What they are talking about is him then versus players now - a silly comparison.

What i would say is this, all this equal, Nick would play in any era.

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Athorn the Wonderkid wrote:
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I want to have it in 2 of three threads ok???


No wuckers, if you've got the time to do it.


Dnt worry ill achnowledge u on the credits... youre doing a terrific job yourself you know???

Yeah i reckon once I hit 500 posts people will start to respect me.... so Im posting my heart out today. Thanks for providing all the subject matter.


:idea: I reckon you're onto something there sparky!! :lol:

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Some day we will win a flag .....and that will become the next shining moment to sweep away this darkness.



Thats what the Swans said in 1933, but they were proved right in the end, they did win a flag someday ...... in 2005. :wink:

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Synbad certainly doesn't mind a rant.

Whilst he questions the IQ of some posters I wonder about his memory. Didn't Sydney win the GF this year? They don't exactlly strike me as the most skillfull team getting around. How many number 1 draft picks do they have running around? How many retreads?

Oh, and didn't Carlton lose early draft picks for salary cap breaches. Not a lot we can do about that. If the two O'Hailpin brothers become good players it might not be a complete loss.

I would also question whether you can make assumptions about a young player's career based on their first season. Personally I think we have a lot of kids that have plenty of potential. Oh, and I don't mind saying I think Lance is an important player for Carlton, even at risk of having to skip over another tedious rant? What's more Denis thinks Whitnall is an important player and that carries more weight in my mind than anything I read in this forum.

I'm not sure what the fixation with Franklin and Delidio is all about. Given the early picks the Blues secured this year I'd have thought Synbad could sit back with a contented smile.


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I'm not sure what the fixation with Franklin and Delidio is all about. Given the early picks the Blues secured this year I'd have thought Synbad could sit back with a contented smile.



It is very difficult to play catch up with respect to getting talent on your list, the way the AFL have structured the Draft.

We missed Deledio and Franklin (Picks 1 & 4) and we got Russell and Hartlett (Picks 9 and 25) - it might turn out that Russell and Hartlett will be better players than Deledio and Franklin.

Our Picks 1 & 4 this year (Murphy and Kennedy) might turn out better players than Deledio and Franklin but they are 1 year behind in their development - and personally I would have liked Deledio, Franklin, Murphy and Hartlett on our list.

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I'm not sure what the fixation with Franklin and Delidio is all about. Given the early picks the Blues secured this year I'd have thought Synbad could sit back with a contented smile.



It is very difficult to play catch up with respect to getting talent on your list, the way the AFL have structured the Draft.

We missed Deledio and Franklin (Picks 1 & 4) and we got Russell and Hartlett (Picks 9 and 25) - it might turn out that Russell and Hartlett will be better players than Deledio and Franklin.

Our Picks 1 & 4 this year (Murphy and Kennedy) might turn out better players than Deledio and Franklin but they are 1 year behind in their development - and personally I would have liked Deledio, Franklin, Murphy and Hartlett on our list.


The problem with all that is, for us to have got Deledio and Franklin last year it would've had to have been an identical outcome to this year in that we finished last and all the teams immediately above us finshed with exactly the same wins as they did this year.

The odds of that happening would be over a million to one. It's a fantasy.


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AGRO wrote:
Dickie wrote:
I'm not sure what the fixation with Franklin and Delidio is all about. Given the early picks the Blues secured this year I'd have thought Synbad could sit back with a contented smile.



It is very difficult to play catch up with respect to getting talent on your list, the way the AFL have structured the Draft.

We missed Deledio and Franklin (Picks 1 & 4) and we got Russell and Hartlett (Picks 9 and 25) - it might turn out that Russell and Hartlett will be better players than Deledio and Franklin.

Our Picks 1 & 4 this year (Murphy and Kennedy) might turn out better players than Deledio and Franklin but they are 1 year behind in their development - and personally I would have liked Deledio, Franklin, Murphy and Hartlett on our list.


The problem with all that is, for us to have got Deledio and Franklin last year it would've had to have been an identical outcome to this year in that we finished last and all the teams immediately above us finshed with exactly the same wins as they did this year.

The odds of that happening would be over a million to one. It's a fantasy.


Okay so we finished last in 2004 and got Deledio and Roughead instead or Deledio and Tambling. :roll:

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AGRO wrote:
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AGRO wrote:
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I'm not sure what the fixation with Franklin and Delidio is all about. Given the early picks the Blues secured this year I'd have thought Synbad could sit back with a contented smile.



It is very difficult to play catch up with respect to getting talent on your list, the way the AFL have structured the Draft.

We missed Deledio and Franklin (Picks 1 & 4) and we got Russell and Hartlett (Picks 9 and 25) - it might turn out that Russell and Hartlett will be better players than Deledio and Franklin.

Our Picks 1 & 4 this year (Murphy and Kennedy) might turn out better players than Deledio and Franklin but they are 1 year behind in their development - and personally I would have liked Deledio, Franklin, Murphy and Hartlett on our list.


The problem with all that is, for us to have got Deledio and Franklin last year it would've had to have been an identical outcome to this year in that we finished last and all the teams immediately above us finshed with exactly the same wins as they did this year.

The odds of that happening would be over a million to one. It's a fantasy.


Okay so we finished last in 2004 and got Deledio and Roughead instead or Deledio and Tambling. :roll:


What if we finished last in 2004 with six wins. :roll:

What if??? :roll:

Fantasy world.


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verbs wrote:
AGRO wrote:
verbs wrote:
AGRO wrote:
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I'm not sure what the fixation with Franklin and Delidio is all about. Given the early picks the Blues secured this year I'd have thought Synbad could sit back with a contented smile.



It is very difficult to play catch up with respect to getting talent on your list, the way the AFL have structured the Draft.

We missed Deledio and Franklin (Picks 1 & 4) and we got Russell and Hartlett (Picks 9 and 25) - it might turn out that Russell and Hartlett will be better players than Deledio and Franklin.

Our Picks 1 & 4 this year (Murphy and Kennedy) might turn out better players than Deledio and Franklin but they are 1 year behind in their development - and personally I would have liked Deledio, Franklin, Murphy and Hartlett on our list.


The problem with all that is, for us to have got Deledio and Franklin last year it would've had to have been an identical outcome to this year in that we finished last and all the teams immediately above us finshed with exactly the same wins as they did this year.

The odds of that happening would be over a million to one. It's a fantasy.


Okay so we finished last in 2004 and got Deledio and Roughead instead or Deledio and Tambling. :roll:


What if we finished last in 2004 with six wins. :roll:

What if??? :roll:

Fantasy world.



Okay YFD - the point we are making is that Picks 1 & 4 would be better than picks 9 and 25, unless you are a complete moron and draft Verbeek and Verbeek's unco brother instead. :roll:

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fantasy world... = under verbs doona.

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yes but with today's diet would he be 188cm? With his body being fed better food form birht he might be gee 195 or 198cm...who the F@%&#! knows? Not you not Ashman and Not barass. What they are talking about is him then versus players now - a silly comparison.

What i would say is this, all this equal, Nick would play in any era.


comparing anything from a past era to today is ridiculous.. that was my point all along... re 93 shithouse team playing in a GF.. (that we didnt win)... maybe Athorn playing today would have been a shit hot player.. with diets and stuff. he may have been 195cms and fast like Judd .. with perfect ball skills... and Scholl.. would have been our Barry Hall .... you know? with how they feed people these days.. all that genetically modified stuff....

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Synbad wrote:

What people like you dont get is.. you can still have victories and lose games of football... you can get games under kids belts.. you can teach kids to go about their footy in a correct manner.. you can have them enjoying their footy..


Isn't that the same as my earlier statement

Sumo wrote:
Heres a theory……….maybe we should continue to develop the players we have, play to win & draft smart. Or is that too hard?


What is it about 2006 that I have to come to terms with? Isn’t the priority draft selection criteria changing? How is that going to affect your grand plan of playing to lose (for an unspecified timeframe) & taking the cream off the top in the draft?

Another question……………
How many no.1 draft picks haven’t turned out to be superstars?
How many no.1 draft picks have won premierships?

From memory, your love child Franklin was taken at pick 5. Therefore, if/when priority picks are altered, & using this years ladder positions as a guide, he would’ve been available to Richmond who finished 12 with 10 wins (same as the blues had the other year). The draft is changing. Even with the current priority selections, there have been plenty of very good footballers taken after pick 5.

AND since you’re so interested in my cricket gloves, I can tell you that they are the old kind with green rubber spikes instead of padding :wink:


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AGRO wrote:
verbs wrote:
AGRO wrote:
verbs wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Dickie wrote:
I'm not sure what the fixation with Franklin and Delidio is all about. Given the early picks the Blues secured this year I'd have thought Synbad could sit back with a contented smile.



It is very difficult to play catch up with respect to getting talent on your list, the way the AFL have structured the Draft.

We missed Deledio and Franklin (Picks 1 & 4) and we got Russell and Hartlett (Picks 9 and 25) - it might turn out that Russell and Hartlett will be better players than Deledio and Franklin.

Our Picks 1 & 4 this year (Murphy and Kennedy) might turn out better players than Deledio and Franklin but they are 1 year behind in their development - and personally I would have liked Deledio, Franklin, Murphy and Hartlett on our list.


The problem with all that is, for us to have got Deledio and Franklin last year it would've had to have been an identical outcome to this year in that we finished last and all the teams immediately above us finshed with exactly the same wins as they did this year.

The odds of that happening would be over a million to one. It's a fantasy.


Okay so we finished last in 2004 and got Deledio and Roughead instead or Deledio and Tambling. :roll:


What if we finished last in 2004 with six wins. :roll:

What if??? :roll:

Fantasy world.



Okay YFD - the point we are making is that Picks 1 & 4 would be better than picks 9 and 25, unless you are a complete moron and draft Verbeek and Verbeek's unco brother instead. :roll:


Picks 1 and 2 would be better than picks 1 and 4. Why would we go for picks 1 and 4 when we could've got picks 1 and 2? :roll:

You set your fantasy levels too low AGRO.


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I reckon twins - picks 1&1 (now I'm really drooling...ahh this is barracking)

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Picks 1 and 1... yeah... thats hot.

Imagine if instead of "4", after "3" Demetriou had cried out "selection number 1 - Carlton" again.........

Kennedy and Murphy... 2 pick 1s..... Certain premiership

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