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Post subject: Re: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:06 pm

Wayne Johnston

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bondiblue wrote:

As I've said all along, and love reminding Hawks fans, Clarkson won those 4 GFs when the on field leaders and coaches Mitchell Hodge and Lewis ran the show whilst on the ground.

Once those 3 were gone, Clarkson's effectiveness has been on show.

Despite signing O'Meara Scully Wingard Patton and Tom Mitchell to replace the 3 above mentioned 'real' coaches, Clarkson hasn't fired a shot. It's not that he hasn't improved the playing list with those 5 'elite' signings. The problem is Hawks haven't had a coach since those 3 stopped running things on the ground.

Up yours Clarkson. Karma will get you.

The 'real' coach, as you put it, is/was Fagan.

Dimma, Ratts, Simpson, etc, if the Hawks structure ran as is is drawn up (and I would imagine that a bureaucrat like Kennett would see to it that it does), all of them would have been influenced by Fagan.

Clarko flips his lid, Fagan translates that into a usable form and passes it on to the line coaches, line coaches pass that on to the players.

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aboynamedsue

Post subject: Re: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:20 pm

Craig Bradley

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McGovern to miss a couple of weeks, SOJ to miss at least 2 more weeks. McKay should be OK to play-

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/78418 ... rn-to-miss

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jim

Post subject: Re: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:29 pm

Wayne Johnston

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aboynamedsue wrote:

McGovern to miss a couple of weeks, SOJ to miss at least 2 more weeks. McKay should be OK to play-

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/78418 ... rn-to-miss

McKay for Gov, TDK for Moore. TDK was nothing short of brilliant in the practice game.

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jim

Post subject: Re: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:37 pm

Wayne Johnston

Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm
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Beijing Blue wrote:

rhino27 wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

Harsh of Bolton. Very harsh. I just want the boys to nail the coffin this week...

Agree. Very harsh and disrespectful. He gave his all while he was with us.
Previous coaches were bagged for not giving the kids a go. He gave the kids a go and they'll ultimately be better players because of him.

Bolton laid the foundations that Teague has built on. He was given a huge task and gave it his all, unlike the guy he replaced.

Reckon SOS laid the foundations.

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Sin City

Post subject: Re: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:47 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

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Wonder if the Hawks will get crucified by the umpires after Clarko’s comments similar to the way we did last year against the Saints after Dale Thomas (rightfully) called one of them a cheat. Wouldn’t rule it out.

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jake_h03

Post subject: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:52 pm

John Nicholls

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Sin City wrote:

I would. They’re playing Carlton.

Have we won a free kick count this year? Not that I can remember

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Post subject: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:57 pm

John Nicholls

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With Gov out and Harry likely to come back in, i reckon it has to be Harry for Gov and TDK for Moore. Fisher must be close but not sure who we can drop:

I still can’t understand why Moore was brought in to take second ruck last week with Levi unable to do so. He’s 193cm and couldn’t get near it against Goldstein. At least TDK is genuine ruckman size at 203cm. Really hope he gets his chance this week.

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Post subject: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:00 pm

John Nicholls

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Also please get the ball in SPS hands as much as possible. He was one of the main reasons we got off to a flyer against North. 4 kicks in the first quarter, all sublime

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Post subject: Re: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:02 pm

Geoff Southby

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jake_h03 wrote:

x 2

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Teddy Hopkins

Post subject: Re: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:25 pm

Geoff Southby

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jake_h03 wrote:

With 2, 200cm inclusions in ( McKay and TDK) we will need more run so O'Brien or Fisher on a wing but who do you drop. Murphy has lost his gut run so give him a week off.

And bring both Cuningham and Martin further up the ground to use their pace. High half forwards maybe. Turn in the middle.

We have the talls to out mark this mob. We have the smalls to run them. We have the backs to keep them to a losing score.

What's not to like.

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Crusader

Post subject: Re: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:59 pm

Wayne Johnston

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If we absolutely must bring Fisher in as a small for a small, then it won't be for a high possession midfielder like Murphy.

Cunningham, Gibbons, Williamson & Newnes are the most replaceable roles, with Eddie as the wildcard for Cunningham & Gibbons since they'd likely move into his spot if he was rested.

Unless there's a flogging on the horizon, I think Fisher needs a change in structure if he's going to get back in.

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Post subject: Re: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:09 pm

Stephen Kernahan

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Sin City wrote:

Maybe they'll penalise Dusty for chopping throats, or Dangerfield/Selwood for diving forward in every tackle, while they're at it

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SurreyBlue

Post subject: Re: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:10 pm

Ken Hunter

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As much as I like the big KP forward, I can’t see us playing McKay, Casboult and DeKoning all forward together.

My guess is McKay for McGovern and Fisher or Honey for Moore.

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Blue Vain

Post subject: Re: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:29 pm

Stephen Kernahan

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Teddy Hopkins wrote:

Murphy has lost his gut run so give him a week off

Just to confirm. That's the Murphy who was our highest possession winner and received 5 coaches votes on Saturday?

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AGRO

Post subject: Re: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:43 pm

Alex Jesaulenko

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And 10 contested possessions :thumbsup:

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Navy Blue Horse

Post subject: Re: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:24 pm

Stephen Kernahan

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the same one Teague swung into the middle in the last when the game was on the line I believe

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Post subject: Re: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:36 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

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Re Murph ... rewatch the last quarter again ...

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Teddy Hopkins

Post subject: Re: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:46 pm

Geoff Southby

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Blue Vain wrote:

Teddy Hopkins wrote:

Murphy has lost his gut run so give him a week off

Just to confirm. That's the Murphy who was our highest possession winner and received 5 coaches votes on Saturday?

Hey I also was defending him when others were not. I was the first who said he was our highest possession winner. But horses for courses. As I say he cannot run as he used to. He is neither as fast nor the gut runner he used to be.

However I also assume he will not be rested although in this compact season at some stage the older players should be.

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Crusader

Post subject: Re: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:13 pm

Wayne Johnston

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Why would we need to rest anyone if the season is already five games shorter?

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Post subject: Re: R9: Carlton Vs Hawthorn (Pre Match discussion)

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:26 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

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We should be good enough to get the chocolates but there's still a few weapons at the Hawks disposal. I think a big key is the role that Jed Lamb played so well a couple of years ago. Could Newnes shut down Sicily? Dunno that he could annoy the piss out him like lamb did, but reckon he can do the job on him and can keep Sicily honest as he's been more than handy around goal

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