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billc3
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:06 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
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https://www.afl.com.au/news/459379/will-he-ever-get-picked-10-players-mysteriously-on-the-outer


Maybe we should give Matthew Kennedy a run, he might do well being snake to spend more time on ball.....oh wait....

Gibbs from Adelaide might be worth a look and he might be interested because he'd know Eddie Betts too.


Can only imagine he's too slow these days. Not good being on the outer in the worst team in football.


Last year Jack Martin was on the outer in the worst team in football...

Just sayin


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Dow is the key.
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Rexy
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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We need another high possession mid I reckon.

Either our young mids get more of the ball, or we should trade to get one in.

Bottom line is we need more possessions.
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david31
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Rexy wrote:
We need another high possession mid I reckon.

Either our young mids get more of the ball, or we should trade to get one in.

Bottom line is we need more possessions.

Agreed.

Back line and forward line have been getting the job done.

Midfield has been the weakest line. When we’ve broken even or won the midfield match up, we’ve generally gone on to win the game. Feel like we’re one quality mid away. Few of the young guys could get there but are still a few years off consistent performances. Austin needs to be exploring all avenues this off season to bolster that midfield, especially with Ed coming to the end.
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Humpers
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:16 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
We need another high possession mid I reckon.

Either our young mids get more of the ball, or we should trade to get one in.

Bottom line is we need more possessions.


Disappointing that Stocker doesn't appear to be pushing for selection. Hopefully Dow can step up a notch if/when he returns to the seniors.

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Teddy Hopkins
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Humpers wrote:
Rexy wrote:
We need another high possession mid I reckon.

Either our young mids get more of the ball, or we should trade to get one in.

Bottom line is we need more possessions.


Disappointing that Stocker doesn't appear to be pushing for selection. Hopefully Dow can step up a notch if/when he returns to the seniors.

Yep. I have been saying we have the green shoots. But they need to grow.

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Mickstar
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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david31 wrote:
Rexy wrote:
We need another high possession mid I reckon.

Either our young mids get more of the ball, or we should trade to get one in.

Bottom line is we need more possessions.

Agreed.

Back line and forward line have been getting the job done.

Midfield has been the weakest line. When we’ve broken even or won the midfield match up, we’ve generally gone on to win the game. Feel like we’re one quality mid away. Few of the young guys could get there but are still a few years off consistent performances. Austin needs to be exploring all avenues this off season to bolster that midfield, especially with Ed coming to the end.


Yep Rex and Yep Dave.....................get a few more kicks and i'll shut up.Not getting enough ball between the arcs is all that is stopping us.Going nowhere till we fix that.We will get tantalising close but thats all.

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Paddycripps
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Humpers wrote:
Rexy wrote:
We need another high possession mid I reckon.

Either our young mids get more of the ball, or we should trade to get one in.

Bottom line is we need more possessions.


Disappointing that Stocker doesn't appear to be pushing for selection. Hopefully Dow can step up a notch if/when he returns to the seniors.


DOW !!!
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Blue Vain
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... erallPos=8

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As the most frantic period of AFL football in history looms and clubs wrestle with how and when to manage resting players, injury-struck teams will be racing the clock with availability one of the most valuable commodities in the game.

One Collingwood star says fitness staff “will earn their keep” as they attempt to navigate the next month.

But for some clubs, the hit has already been harsh to bear.

North Melbourne’s injury list is currently longer than any club, with Champion Data statistics revealing that the Roos have lost almost five times the amount of games to injury than the least-affected team after eight rounds, St Kilda.

Fremantle, Essendon*, Carlton and Sydney have also been heavily affected, but less than half of the Bombers’ “games lost” have been to their best team.

While reigning premier Richmond is hoping to have skipper Trent Cotchin and his fellow premiership players Dion Prestia, David Astbury and Toby Nankervis back in coming weeks, the team has been largely unscathed as a whole with only 10 games “lost” through injury to its best side.


TOTAL GAMES LOST TO BEST 22
North Melbourne 51
Fremantle 41
Carlton 38
Sydney 35
Collingwood 34
Western Bulldogs 31
Hawthorn 25
GWS Giants 25
Adelaide 24
West Coast 22
Essendon* 21
Geelong 20
Port Adelaide 18
Gold Coast 17
Melbourne 13
Brisbane 12
Richmond 10
St Kilda 10

*SOURCE: CHAMPION DATA
Total Games Lost to Best 22 looks at who the best 22 are for each club.
If a player is out injured from that best 22 then they count towards the table.

If the 23rd player is also injured, then they will count toward it. It will keep flowing until the next player is available.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Rexy wrote:
We need another high possession mid I reckon.

Either our young mids get more of the ball, or we should trade to get one in.

Bottom line is we need more possessions.

Would They be taking possessions off another of our players, or the opposition ?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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jezzarules wrote:
Rexy wrote:
We need another high possession mid I reckon.

Either our young mids get more of the ball, or we should trade to get one in.

Bottom line is we need more possessions.

Would They be taking possessions off another of our players, or the opposition ?


The opposition of course. We need more possessions to score more and win more games.

On a seperate note, I see talk of maybe cutting as many as 12 players from the list.

Anyone brave enough to speculate on the unlucky 12 ...?
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billc3
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Blue Vain wrote:
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/fears-condensed-fixture-will-cause-injury-carnage-unless-clubs-rest-players/news-story/46f570e0e0c47b352aacfd38df9db4bf?utm_source=HeraldSun&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Editorial&utm_content=HS_AM-PM_MIX_01&net_sub_id=285774684&type=recommended&position=4&overallPos=8

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As the most frantic period of AFL football in history looms and clubs wrestle with how and when to manage resting players, injury-struck teams will be racing the clock with availability one of the most valuable commodities in the game.

One Collingwood star says fitness staff “will earn their keep” as they attempt to navigate the next month.

But for some clubs, the hit has already been harsh to bear.

North Melbourne’s injury list is currently longer than any club, with Champion Data statistics revealing that the Roos have lost almost five times the amount of games to injury than the least-affected team after eight rounds, St Kilda.

Fremantle, Essendon**, Carlton and Sydney have also been heavily affected, but less than half of the Bombers’ “games lost” have been to their best team.

While reigning premier Richmond is hoping to have skipper Trent Cotchin and his fellow premiership players Dion Prestia, David Astbury and Toby Nankervis back in coming weeks, the team has been largely unscathed as a whole with only 10 games “lost” through injury to its best side.


TOTAL GAMES LOST TO BEST 22
North Melbourne 51
Fremantle 41
Carlton 38
Sydney 35
Collingwood 34
Western Bulldogs 31
Hawthorn 25
GWS Giants 25
Adelaide 24
West Coast 22
Essendon** 21
Geelong 20
Port Adelaide 18
Gold Coast 17
Melbourne 13
Brisbane 12
Richmond 10
St Kilda 10

*SOURCE: CHAMPION DATA
Total Games Lost to Best 22 looks at who the best 22 are for each club.
If a player is out injured from that best 22 then they count towards the table.

If the 23rd player is also injured, then they will count toward it. It will keep flowing until the next player is available.
... and there I was thinking we've had a good injury run!
(we have)...
But
Kruezer
Marchbank
C Curnow
Newman...
I guess make up the numbers

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Rexy wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
Rexy wrote:
We need another high possession mid I reckon.

Either our young mids get more of the ball, or we should trade to get one in.

Bottom line is we need more possessions.

Would They be taking possessions off another of our players, or the opposition ?


The opposition of course. We need more possessions to score more and win more games.

On a seperate note, I see talk of maybe cutting as many as 12 players from the list.

Anyone brave enough to speculate on the unlucky 12 ...?


Kreuzer
Lang
Macreadie
O'Dwyer
Phillips
Cottrell
Goddard
Owies
Moore
Polson
Newnes
Kennedy

Tough on Newnes and Kennedy

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ianh
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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grrofunger wrote:
Rexy wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
Rexy wrote:
We need another high possession mid I reckon.

Either our young mids get more of the ball, or we should trade to get one in.

Bottom line is we need more possessions.

Would They be taking possessions off another of our players, or the opposition ?


The opposition of course. We need more possessions to score more and win more games.

On a seperate note, I see talk of maybe cutting as many as 12 players from the list.

Anyone brave enough to speculate on the unlucky 12 ...?


Kreuzer
Lang
Macreadie
O'Dwyer
Phillips
Cottrell
Goddard
Owies
Moore
Polson
Newnes
Kennedy

Tough on Newnes and Kennedy


Would be tough on Newnes and Kennedy and I doubt they'd pull the pin on Newnes a single season after trading him in. Tough on Kreuzer if his body is right. Maybe BSOS might be at risk but not much else except posssible retirements - Simpson, Murphy (probably not either Eddie) in the age bracket.
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Brutal

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We have a list of midfielders who show promise but can't consistently get enough of the ball.

Dow
O'Brien
Cunningham
Kennedy
Philp
Polson
Newnes


Then we have a list of unknown midfielders.

Stocker
Honey
Ramsey
Cottrell
Kemp

So we basically have 12 midfielders that either are untried or don't contribute consistently. Thats just a template for failure.

We need to bring in Fisher this week. I would also be giving Honey and Cottrell an opportunity as soon as possible.

Next year we have to have another gun midfielder.

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We have a list of midfielders who show promise but can't consistently get enough of the ball.

Dow
O'Brien
Cunningham
Kennedy
Philp
Polson
Newnes


Then we have a list of unknown midfielders.

Stocker
Honey
Ramsey
Cottrell
Kemp

So we basically have 12 midfielders that either are untried or don't contribute consistently. Thats just a template for failure.

We need to bring in Fisher this week. I would also be giving Honey and Cottrell an opportunity as soon as possible.

Next year we have to have another gun midfielder.

I reckon 'consistent' and Philp aren't ready to be mentioned in the same breath just yet.

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For mine the untouchables are-

JSOS
Dow
LOB
SPS
Cripps
McKay
Gov
TDK
Stocker
Doch
Kemp
Walsh
Martin
Marchbank
Weitering
Fisher
Macreadie
Pittonet
Cunners
Charlie
Willo
Ramsay
Philp
Honey
BSOS
Gibbons
Setterfield


That leaves the rest who are on the table -

Murphy
Simpson
Kennedy
Kreuzer
Jones
Betts
Lang
Plowman
Newman
Polson
Newnes
Ed
Finbar
Phillips
Levi
Owies
Goddard
Cottrell
Moore
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According to the contract tracker, the players out of contract at the end of 2020 are below. With shorter lists next year, some harsh decisions will be required. I’ve highlighted the players I think will stay, the rest must be doubtful...

1. Marc Murphy
2. Kade Simpson
3. Matthew Kennedy
4. Matthew Kreuzer
5. Darcy Lang
6. Eddie Betts
7. Lachie Plowman
8. Caleb Marchbank
9. Harrison Macreadie
10. Cameron Polson
11. Tom Williamson
12. Jack Newnes
13. Edward Curnow
14. Josh Honey (r)
15. Ben Silvagni
16. Finbar O'Dwyer
17. Fraser Phillips (r)
18. Michael Gibbons (r)
19. Levi Casboult
20. Matthew Owies (r)
21. Hugh Goddard (r)
22. Matthew Cottrell (r)
23. Callum Moore (r)

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Marchy when fit easily in our best 22 and in a good age bracket. However, the question needs to be asked. If he consistently spends more time out injured than on the field, can we really afford to carry him? Especially with reduced lists.
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