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Adam Chatfield
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:14 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
We beat a really good side last year. Just need to do it about 5 more times

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Who? Brisbane? On the back of freak Cripps performance.

That and the freo wins were awesome but surely we can’t keep being asleep at the wheel at the start of games.

Now it shows there is some fight and ability in the side that we work out way back under Teague rather than waving the white flag as happened regularly the last season and a half under bolts.

But this still shows me we are a loser club with a loser mentality.
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stretford blue
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In these uncertain times I would like to thank Carlton with providing us with some rare stability in our lives. We are still as crap as last year, (and the year before that), and will once again finish the season with a different coach to the one we started with. Seriously over it.

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Adam Chatfield
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:17 pm 
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jim wrote:
Adam Chatfield wrote:
keogh wrote:
The team is below average in ability
Simple as that
As I said many times the trading out of 5 players and picks for Setterfield and Mc Govern was ridiculous particularly given the team’s performance in 2018 was dumb list management
Both have been ordinary
Throw in Kennedy O’Brien and Dow who were recruited around this time.
How Lang gets a game who was also recruited around this time
ahead of half a dozen others is mind boggling

What to do in 2020
Play as many players as possible. I want to see Philip Honey Ramsay get some games. I want to see Teague show some balls and drop blokes who play ordinary
Start with SPS and Cuningham
Both are soft and were crap today
SPS I think has never been dropped he has had a charmed ride
How Cuningham got a 3 year contract is mysterious
His output has been ordinary he lacks mongrel l

Play guys in different positions
Play McKay up the ground
Martin in the middle
Try different things
What’s there to lose other than finding something

Look to the future without sentiment
Give a youngster some time and drop Simmo
Bring him back the last couple of games. He deserves that

Bringing Betts back to the club makes no sense in terms of playing
He is stopping a youngsters development
He looks past it to me. He was on the way out last year

Keep playing Murphy unless his form drops off but if he want to play on 2021 say no


Largely agree, we are below average with talent, and that’s shown by having Newnes, Lang, Cuningham and a cooked betts being close to automatic selections.

We need to think in different ways and be creative to acquire talent. We seem to copy strategies of elsewhere rather than finding our own way and pouts of difference.

We have begun a path which at least gives us a way forward hit we have an awfully long way to go, it’s possible we don’t even leave the bottom 6 with this group of players unless we improve on and off the field in a big way.


I think we have decent talent but our application to the task can be horrible. That's the part that is pissing me right off. Make's no difference how the talent is, if you lack application and fortitude you go no-where.


We have a lot of guys who are either not up to it, over the hill or younger and will never be any good.

When we are ever a top 4 side again you’d be lucky to see more than 8 of the current side out there as part of a best 22 when that happens.
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keogh
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:17 pm 
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jim wrote:
Adam Chatfield wrote:
keogh wrote:
The team is below average in ability
Simple as that
As I said many times the trading out of 5 players and picks for Setterfield and Mc Govern was ridiculous particularly given the team’s performance in 2018 was dumb list management
Both have been ordinary
Throw in Kennedy O’Brien and Dow who were recruited around this time.
How Lang gets a game who was also recruited around this time
ahead of half a dozen others is mind boggling

What to do in 2020
Play as many players as possible. I want to see Philip Honey Ramsay get some games. I want to see Teague show some balls and drop blokes who play ordinary
Start with SPS and Cuningham
Both are soft and were crap today
SPS I think has never been dropped he has had a charmed ride
How Cuningham got a 3 year contract is mysterious
His output has been ordinary he lacks mongrel l

Play guys in different positions
Play McKay up the ground
Martin in the middle
Try different things
What’s there to lose other than finding something

Look to the future without sentiment
Give a youngster some time and drop Simmo
Bring him back the last couple of games. He deserves that

Bringing Betts back to the club makes no sense in terms of playing
He is stopping a youngsters development
He looks past it to me. He was on the way out last year

Keep playing Murphy unless his form drops off but if he want to play on 2021 say no


Largely agree, we are below average with talent, and that’s shown by having Newnes, Lang, Cuningham and a cooked betts being close to automatic selections.

We need to think in different ways and be creative to acquire talent. We seem to copy strategies of elsewhere rather than finding our own way and pouts of difference.

We have begun a path which at least gives us a way forward hit we have an awfully long way to go, it’s possible we don’t even leave the bottom 6 with this group of players unless we improve on and off the field in a big way.


I think we have decent talent but our application to the task can be horrible. That's the part that is pissing me right off. Make's no difference how the talent is, if you lack application and fortitude you go no-where.


We lack grunt and class in the midfield
It’s an issue that hasn’t been addressed for many years
Take Cripps out of the game and where stuffed
Setter field is meant to be the back up but he is on a wing and does little
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jim
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:19 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
kingkerna wrote:
We beat a really good side last year. Just need to do it about 5 more times

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Who? Brisbane? On the back of freak Cripps performance.

That and the freo wins were awesome but surely we can’t keep being asleep at the wheel at the start of games.

Now it shows there is some fight and ability in the side that we work out way back under Teague rather than waving the white flag as happened regularly the last season and a half under bolts.

But this still shows me we are a loser club with a loser mentality.


Suppose it's what Hardwick inherited once. We need to be better physically and mentally at important points of the game.
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Nick
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:22 pm 
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Look at the Suns taking it right up to a team like the Eagles leading by 25 points.

Meanwhile we let a hack team like Melbourne get out to a 42 point lead.

We're an embarrassment sometimes. Really.
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Sydney Blue
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:24 pm 
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Players in the middle aren't physically big enough to match it when the heat is on.
They get brushed to easily and why Cripps lost mass is mind boggling.
We might have the legs but when the tough hard stuff is on we get smashed.

You look at the clearances in the first quarter and a half we were smashed.
Murphy Betts Gibbons SPS Walsh Cunningham Doc and Simmo even Plowman Not enough meat on them. Their replacement are Dow Fisher Willo and LOB

We are land of the Giants down back and up front but where it counts to small

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Stefchook
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:28 pm 
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Pros:

We fight out games. We control the majority of the majority of our games.
Gibbo was terrific in midfield.
Weitering outstanding in defence. Docherty very good.
Harry was good. But gives away stupid frees, and still has the yips with his set shots.
Martin is class.
I like Pittonet.
Cripps' last quarter.

Cons:

Absolutely diabolical start.
Yet another season we begin 0-3.
Can't win close games.
Set shot kicking.
Tackling.
Samo had a stinker in defence.
Very disappointing effort from our senior midfielders in Cripps, Murph and Ed.
Walsh has looked very nervous with the ball in the first 2 rounds.
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billc3
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:37 pm 
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Dodo27 wrote:
I didn't watch the game as I have no Foxtel...


The Scores were tided up at 53 each... Can someone please tell me how Melbourne got their final behind? and why didn't just hold the ball in our forward line? :(
Last two minutes are on the AFL ap....

Go Blues

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Blue Vain
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:43 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
Very disappointing effort from our senior midfielders in Cripps, Murph and Ed.
Walsh has looked very nervous with the ball in the first 2 rounds.


I thought Ed was very good. After Petracca torched Walsh in the first quarter, Ed did a job on him him.
In fact, I think Ed is extremely underrated by Carlton fans. He's the one player on our list who gives 100% every game and does whatever job he's given to the best of his ability.
I agree on Harry. Reminds me of Fev. Lots of ability but gives away stupid free kicks when things aren't going his way.

I'd drop the Samo at H/B experiment. He lacks intensity and lets his opponents get goal side far too often. I recall him playing half forward in a game last year and he was excellent. He's a flair player, not a stopper.
After flogging Lynch in Round 1, Weitering was a star again. I'd bring in Willo next week for Newman and maybe one of the young guys as the 7th defender. If not, Newnes may have to stay there until Newman returns.
Pittonet tried hard after being torched early and Martin was a star.

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kingkerna
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:48 pm 
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GWS wrote:
I haven’t seen anything of the game. I was working.

But it seems that the same attitudes in hear for most of you are the same as they always were.

And that’s ok.

But I think I’d prefer to judge them on the season rather than the day.
That's just logical

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bondiblue
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:57 pm 
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Dodo27 wrote:
We should have won this game by 3-4 Goals easily if it wasn't for our usual Bad start...


Our biggest issue at the Club right now is the Bad Starts ( Regardless of the final score ) :confused: :confused:


We should have won this game by 24 points with that 42 point head start.

5 shots at goal, in front of goal. 4 of them set shots missed.
McGovern running in ...

Oh well, it will haunt the players

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frank dardew
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:04 pm 
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3 goals 7 from set shots Bondi enough said play think behave like losers
The are LOSERs and they are starting to lose their supporters who have had enough of the insipid way we play and the lack of any grit any mental toughness and the continuing acceptance of losses year after year
The composition of the team changes but nothing else does 9 years in a row not to win the 1 of the first 2 games of the season pitiful
God only knows how we have a record membership after the ineptitude of the last 5 -10 years

Mealy mouthed bulltish forget I don’t want hear from anyone at the club this week shut the hell up and come out talking when you have the guts and character to actually turn up in the first quarter and get us a bloody win
Don’t want to hear gallant fast finishing all this jingoism crap just start performing
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Rocky Henderson
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:07 pm 
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The club has to figure out where all these poor starts are stemming from.

Maybe we take the players phone and internet away and shove them in a quarantine hotel for a week.

Do we sakc the midfield coach?

These slow starts are killing us.
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bondiblue
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:09 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Players in the middle aren't physically big enough to match it when the heat is on.
They get brushed to easily and why Cripps lost mass is mind boggling.
We might have the legs but when the tough hard stuff is on we get smashed.

You look at the clearances in the first quarter and a half we were smashed.
Murphy Betts Gibbons SPS Walsh Cunningham Doc and Simmo even Plowman Not enough meat on them. Their replacement are Dow Fisher Willo and LOB

We are land of the Giants down back and up front but where it counts to small

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Its the first thing I noticed when they ran out.

Russell has turned these guys into Cliff Youngs who can still be running at 120 minute mark.
Problem is they are only 16 minute quarters. We was robbed, and we robbed ourselves.

Murphy was ragdolled in the first quarter playing rover: we was part of their first 3 goals.
Not coz he's not good enough, but I said it during match, Murphy is a feather weight. Not big enough for the midfield group.
Ditto the others.

Pitto looked like a long distance runner from Nigeria :eek:

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Adam Chatfield
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:33 pm 
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jim wrote:
Adam Chatfield wrote:
kingkerna wrote:
We beat a really good side last year. Just need to do it about 5 more times

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Who? Brisbane? On the back of freak Cripps performance.

That and the freo wins were awesome but surely we can’t keep being asleep at the wheel at the start of games.

Now it shows there is some fight and ability in the side that we work out way back under Teague rather than waving the white flag as happened regularly the last season and a half under bolts.

But this still shows me we are a loser club with a loser mentality.


Suppose it's what Hardwick inherited once. We need to be better physically and mentally at important points of the game.


True, how much of his initial side were around in 2013, let alone when they won a flag in 2017?

Reality is it’s a massive project we are undertaking, we are now generations of players in at the club who have not known any winning culture.

It’s bloody hard to change the mentality of a club, on and off the field. I think we began on a path and largely people have been moved on in Bolton and SOS but their times were up and their legacy at best is mixed.

We have to keep going but I don’t think we have acquired enough talent or quality leadership yet.

Until these things happen we are just hoping for other sides to be worse.
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MPH78 wrote:
When all signs pointed to us running over them and winning, who actually thought we would?

I didn’t. Just knew we would find a way to lose.


Indeed. :cry:

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99prelim
PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:11 am 
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dannyboy wrote:
starts - we are not good enough to give sides a start - do that and then our weaknesses will show at the end - and they did!

But I loved the effort and refusal to give up of Pittonet - well done lad!

@#$%&! can we just start level- a but of intensity, some tackling, some awareness that its a @#$%&! football match.

Can someone take Teague aside and say whatever you are doing change it!!!!


X Avogadro's Number

Teague's inability to get them switched on is doing my anxiety levels no favours. Has anybody ever asked him about his atrocious Q1 record??
I would love to hear him respond to such a damning stat.
Today, I decided to not scream at the TV and even when scores were level, I JUST KNEW we would not win; I JUST KNEW it...in fact, my views would not have changed even if we were under a goal up with less than 40s...they would find a way to ruin their supporters week

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kingkerna wrote:
Am I the only person that thought betts added something to the team?

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He added a carbon-based life form inside F50
Apart from that, not much

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:20 am 
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GWS wrote:
I haven’t seen anything of the game. I was working.

But it seems that the same attitudes in hear for most of you are the same as they always were.

And that’s ok.

But I think I’d prefer to judge them on the season rather than the day.


If the season was an 8 slice pizza, the first slice is pretty much gone...and you can say goodbye to half the next slice

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