It's bloody tempting...

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With the information in the Papley thread, we have now locked in our 3rd small forward, which is good that a player like himself wants to come to us. It's a sign of things getting better at the club.

But I thought I'd check some team stats from this season that are interesting:
Hitouts - 13th
Clearances - 6th
Inside 50 - 16th
Goal assists - 16th
Shots at goal - 16th
Shot efficiency - 12th
Goal efficiency - 12th

To me this says we can win the clearance, just not get it to the forward 50. But when we do, we're not the worst in the league at converting our shots at goal.

1%'ers - 15th
Turnovers - 6th least
Disposal efficiency - 17th

While our turnovers are not bad it's sometimes when we do them that is the issue.
1% stat reflects a younger playing group IMO
and our disposal efficiency could be said to be the same as the 1% stat. But coupled with the other above stats, it can also mean we can clear the ball to the opposition and our mids are struggling to move the ball past the centre. And when they do its will little efficiency (38.7%).

I guess you can read stats anyway you want and twist them to suit your argument, but to me this says we really need more quality mids now. And in that elusive age range we are missing. Because we can have the best forward line in the league, but what's the point if we can't get it to them.

Putting aside the rumblings that it's not only small forwards we're looking at, one of the perks of recruiting some actual small forwards is that the mids we've been trialling up there can actually play and develop in the midfield.

Better yet, if said small forwards can play in the middle as well (such as Martin and Papley) it adds another dynamic.

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Yeah I agree, especially Papley. He seems quite the nugget and would be able to help lift the load a little, but at the expense of him not being in the forward line.
Our other mids aside from Gibbons that we've been using up forward all have their issues, fitness, kicking, form, speed, size, injuries etc. Let's hope with another pre-season they can all lift a little and address some of their deficiencies/issues. Because at the moment we have no real solid inside mids firmly on the radar (that we supporters know of) and we might not have a choice.
It will be an interesting few weeks to see who goes where and what we eventually get.
Fingers crossed.

FMD

Didnt Carlton give the Hawks the 2nd rounder they required by Hawks to secure O'Meara? Answer ...YES....

What's their problem?

THEY OWE CARLTON !!!

Give us a future 2nd rounder for Martin and stop the sooking.

Thanks for AR and the new Psychologist...whats her name....???

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Great post db.

I really like keogh and appreciate all the TCers who have been here since I did in that moment of despair for me in 2002...the stuff keogh relates to and refers to.

I remember where I was in an internet cafe in Karabi Thailand back then.....I now the hurt...then a mate of mine, a TS contributor told me to have a look at TC.

That post from keogh deserves an apology ... attacking the man ... [REDACTED] form.

This targeting the man has been going on and on and on.... I'm sorry you were targeted danny nd cannot understand why... and I'm glad you remind me in your sig what you wrote and do, as it feels good to be around some good wordsmiths with a vivid imagination and not just some soap box slaggers, and it reminds me that theres something I still want to read one day.

Pick up the standard fellas ... TC is about discussion and variety of views.
Like BF we at TC and all Carlton forums are all Carltonians and rusted on till death do us apart....even then I'm sure its Dark Navy Blue where I'm going.

I love youse all.

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I’ve got another big bag of salt for this rumour too. Bolton would have to be the best talent scout in the country if the other rumour was true. For this one, Ambrogio only started at the Lions in 2017... not sure we’d be trying to poach someone so new to their current role.

You signed up to TC four years before it started?

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Totals aren't the greatest measures of performance against the standard.

For instance, you say have the 6th lowest total turnovers. That's pretty good.... however, we have the 17th total disposals. Can't turn it over if you don't have it.

Interestingly, we have the lowest total of disposals against. That's great!.... except, we play in games that average 710 disposals both teams combined. The top four teams play in games that average:

787 Collingwood
718 Geelong
736 GWS
749 Richmond

So, do we play in games that are pretty close to Geelong, who finished on top of the ladder? Maybe... however, our possession differential (for v against) is -3.6 per game. Geelong's possession differential is 10.8 per game in their favour. GWS come in at 22.8 per game, Collingwood at 15......... and Richmond are -17, a paltry 3.5 above Gold Coast, thus proving the futility of total season statistics in isolation.

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People can come up with statistics to prove anything. Forfty percent of all people know that.

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What people fail to take into consideration when they say recruiters should have taken player x over player y is that would player x been as good if he had come to Carlton.

Carlton' s problems have been not who we should have taken it is what we have done to them once we have them.
You get the occasional freakish player that stars no matter where they go.
But the majority needs heaps of development.
You could be the greatest spotter of talent in the world but unless someone harnesses that talent it's a waste of time.

So when Keogh and co rant continuously and say look at them over there it's a pointless exercise.

Carlton problem has been development not recruitment

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Our development has been poor no doubt - but Wayne Hughes and Shane Rogers send you their warmest regards.

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Exactly, that's why I used more than one statistic to back my opinion.
Personally, I don't buy much into the total disposal stat because some teams are high possession teams and work the ball forward. Other teams rush the ball forward with little or no possession like Richmond do. It's actually quite impressive how good they are multiple taps to players without even taking a possession.
Inside 50 is pretty definitive of scoring possibility though, less options equals less scoring ability. Unless you have a team of 50+ meter goal kickers, then it's useless also.

I think your point has more weight than a lot of people realise.
Even if we did draft some of the best talent they still need a good environment to develop in.
This includes support of more senior players and is why teams like Hawthorn, Geelong, Richmond etc seem to unearth gems all the time. Their roles are not as demanding as a Walsh role is to Carlton for example.
Our total rebuild was always going to have casualties and areas of concern. And our now missing age bracket is a net result, let's hope some more holes get filled in this area. And we also get back early in the draft either this season or next so we don't make another one.

Thats when despair set in: 2002.
Look to you left. 2006... Feb 2
4 years of despair

Anyone got a good joke about despair? Cue.

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Sitting by the window of her convent, Sister Barbara opened a letter from home one evening. Inside the letter was a $100 bill her parents had sent.
Sister Barbara smiled at the gesture. As she read the letter by the window, she noticed a shabbily dressed stranger leaning against the lamp post below.
Quickly, she wrote, "Don't despair ~ Sister Barbara," on a piece of paper and wrapped the $100 bill in it Then she got the man's attention and tossed it out the window to him. The stranger picked it up, and with a puzzled expression and a tip of his hat, went off down the street.
The next day, Sister Barbara was told that a man was at her door, insisting on seeing her. She went down, and found the stranger waiting. Without a word, he handed her a huge wad of $100 bills.
"What's this?" she asked.
"That's the $8,000 you have coming Sister," he replied. "Don't Despair paid 80-to-1!"


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