Considering we've mainly utilised early picks and traded mid picks for players, it's a pretty easy to sit back and take pot shots.
How many picks have we utilised between 20 and 45? 3. Zac Fisher, Tom DeKoning, David Cuningham. Anything after that is just speculating IMHO.

For the exercise, let's look at the players we've selected between picks 20 and 65-

Zac Fisher 27
Jack Silvagni 53
Cam Polson 59
Harrison Macreadie 47
David Cuningham 23
Tom Williamson 61
Pat Kerr 65
Tom DeKoning 30

All have played AFL football. Kerr is the only one gone. The only other one I'd classify as being extremely unlikely is Polson.
The others I still have hopes for.

Anything after pick 65 is pure speculation. Although Ben Silvagni looks like he could be OK.
Yes we've bought in some older bodies because we gutted the 22-26 age bracket but they were short term picks who cost nothing and have been delisted.
Seriously, who gives a @#$%&! about that now. They did their job and the list is now in a good space. Why do you continually whinge about the past when the future is looking so promising? I couldn't give a rats arse about who's doing well in the WAFL or SANFL. we're chasing elite talent now. Let it go.

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For the record Keogh, I asked you who has assembled a better list and the best you could offer was 1 club. Richmond.
They've had plenty of good picks but like us, they'd had misses. Probably more.

Fraser Turner. Pick 58
Luke English Pick 62
Callum Coleman Jones Pick 20
Patrick Naish. Pick 34
Ben Miller Pick 63
Ryan Garthwaite Pick 72

I'd suggest they've had more ND misses than us.
No one get's it perfect although in your eyes, SOS is the only one who doesn't.

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Ben Lennon instead of the great man ...

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Imagine the Tigers with Cripps running around too...

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Every club has misses
MacCredie is a concern
Cuningham looks great at times but simply goes missing to easily

Because of the soft cap most clubs have 3 full time recruiters
Then a number of part timers
All clubs do it a bit differently

I’m not sure so someone my enlighten me with the info
Do we have someone in both WA and SA who actually lives in those states
Geelong had a few years ago
I assume they still do
Who is responsible for casting their eagle eye over the WAFL or SANFL
If you don’t think that’s important to improve your list you are an idiot

To anyone again
Name me besides Gibbons and Williamson that SOS has snagged with a late pick rookie or preseason

Highlighted in Orange is the whole point we are all making to keogh.

Its not personal. Its the past. We move on and have discussions about the now and look forward to a better period for the club with its transparent plan.

Carltonians have been through enough since 2002 and the rear view mirror isn't going to make us feel better.
We get it, but we've changed: on and off field. Carlton is a new club. The list is more than promising, and there isn't many gaps once the kids develop over the next couple of years.

The now is about adding mature bodies to the list, and we need to cut some slack for the kids and fill the gaps they have been playing in.
What to do with our picks? What can SOS get us? How can SOS maximise the 2019 and 2020 First rounders. Who wants to come to Carlton? Who should we target? Why?

Finally, it is an exciting time for our club, Carlton. Keogh doesn't seem to want to see this and would rather dwell in the past and tell us how crap we are. This is not reality unless you become obsessed that it is.

Martin and Betts having selected Carlton as their preferred club, Butler looks like there's agreement to join Carlton, and Papley is on the horizon to join Carlton. I'm hopeful there's a bigger fish that is being reeled in as we speak/ type.

Our players didn't want 2019 season to end. They are excited too. Its a great place to be.

Toot Toot

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SOS had Kelly earmarked for a later pick, but Cats got him, but the go home factor means he's a bust for them unless they get a Gaff in return.

As for who SOS has snagged with a late pick in th last 4 years ... I don't think anyone cares like you do. Its irrelevant, just as previous Presidents are.
The list looks good, and we are about to use our 2019 and 2010 picks to plug gaps with , as BV said, elite talent.

We are looking forward. Come smell the roses. It is not gloomy as you make out.

You know what I mean ... say something relevant to where we are heading ... Toot Toot

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So, keogh...

What do you think Martin, Butler and Papley can bring to the team in the next 5 years?
What about Betts? Will they make carlton a better team?

Should we trade our 2020 first round pick for a quality mid?

Will all the above additions stifle our kids' development?

With the return of Docherty, Williamson, Jones, Marchbank, Charlie and the above additions:

a. make Northern Blues a better environment for our kids to develop?
b. give us better depth
c. give carlton a chance to play finals in 2020?

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Here is some evidence in the importance of
1 overseeing the lower level state comps
2 the importance of late picks rookie drafts and pre season drafts to achieve premierships
and build depth
I’ll use Richmond as the example
From the 2017 premiership team
Graham pick 53
Grimes preseason
Houli pre season
Townsend rookie
Lambert rookie (VFL)
Butler pick 67
Broad 67
Castagna rookie
That’s 8 out of the 22

Players who didn’t play that game but are in contention and add to the depth of the list

By the way all these guys were picked when SOS has been our list manager
Stack preseason(WAFL)2018
Chol rookie(NEAFL)2018
Short rookie2016
Baker rookie(WAFL)2017
Soldo rookie elevation 2017
Yeah they have had misses
Also had plenty of wins
Shows how important it is not just to just recruits rejects from GWS

Obviously SOS has read more than one book on birds.

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Oh by the way I was generous and didn’t include Ross pick 43
and Pickett

We need more mids and more leg speed too many flanker 190 cm one paced types
We need more depth
There is a strong correlation between depth and a successful VFL side
Our magoos have been ordinary in recent years
Which shows how many spuds we have on the list most of which SOS recruited

I have said we could be anywhere from bottom of the 8 to last next year

A lot of maybe's there, give us a prediction and stay with it , judging by your comments , bottom 4!!

Or last!!

If we have good run with injuries particularly to key players we could finish 6 th
If Cripps goes down for an extended spell bottom 4
It depends on so many things
Form
Harmony look at the Crows
The [REDACTED] draw
Who you play interstate
Injuries
Look at Melbourne
Bet nobody saw them finishing 17 th

90% of the posts in this thread involve someone enlightening you and then you completely disregard what they’ve written and post the same drivel.

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Synbad!

He got it right a reasonable amount of the time.

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There is a strong correlation between depth and a successful VFL side!!!

WOW.

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