According to Barras70 on Big Footy Carlton are leading in the race for Sydney Ruckman Cameron Darcy.

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Channel 7 mews tonight saying that the Bulldogs lead the race for Martin, they have the best offer.
Also mentioned that Hawthorn are in the race for Keath. Of course they are.

Hope we aren't offering much for him. Was a mature age recruit from the WAFL (now 24yo) and has only played one senior match in 3 years at the Swans.

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PS...He wont notice the deference anyway

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

I'd rather we get the Martin Jack deal done first. Might need him to replace Thomas Dale.

Nothing stopping you keogh.

I agree everything should be questioned about the club even when we are doing well.
There's a time and place for that.

There's got to be a time when you admit that with Top 10 draft picks you'd expect most to turn out.
Lets say 50/50. We have 10 Top 10 picks.
Say 4 of them are winners: top 22 in any team.
WE are pretty close to filling those gaps.

Development time is the only thing stalling this model.
Kids don't all come on the same age.
We're pretty close.

SOS' list isn't as bad as you want to believe.
Coem on....you can do it.
say it....its cathartic.
Then go back to your argument.

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I think you'll find the stats on LDU, Cerra & Dow say otherwise. As for potential on all three, the jury is still out.
Let's hope he can work on his disposals, size & strength over the summer. I'm still hoping he turns out to be like Judd, bursting from the packs hitting forwards on the chest or snagging goals from everywhere.



This is where I fail to understand your logic. Unless I have missed some articles or other info about Eddies leadership qualities and mentoring of players.
Unlike Hodge, he has never been a premiership player, let alone four times. He has never been captain of a club and I can only find he has been in the leadership group once in 2017 at Adelaide. He's now 32, contracted for appx. $600k per year, would still cost us pick(s), also a spot on the list for players in a more needed age bracket and an absurd amount of money for what he will bring at the end of his career. And I just can't see any close comparisons or advantages for us in getting him in a Hodge like role. Other than a marketing ploy we would've been better off getting Roughead to coach the forward line.
Plus, I think people have forgotten that he'd 'allegedly' already signed with Adelaide 18 months before he left us (according to Trigg). And was most likely the reason he'd come off the back of 38, 42, 50, 48 goals per season to 27 in 2013 then back to 51, 63 & 75 for Adelaide. There has to be some truth there, surely. Yet you still want him back after his big FU to the club.

Firstly, I don’t think there is any player around who matches up even remotely to Hodge and what he has brought to the Lions. I don’t think Burgoyne or Roughead or anyone else would have the same impact, Premierships or otherwise. I find it interesting to watch other clubs talk about trying the same thing - it just won’t work in the same way b/c of Hodge’s unique attributes, the specifics of the Lions trajectory and maturity, and his relationship with Fagan. And the timing was perfect with Hidge still able to contribute but well past his best.
And I don’t think we should go hard for Betts esp in terms of $$ or trades.
BUT, if we are able to get him relatively cheaply, I reckon he would provide value beyond his immediate playing ability and IMO closer to what Hodge brought to the Lions than anyone else for us. I think that he has shown an ability to garner respect (with Yarran and Garlett and more so since). And he has great goal sense which I’m hoping he could generate more goals for us now and help pass on to our small forwards for the longer term.
And he has a strong relationship with Teague that could strengthen Teague’s impact on the club.

http://www.aflplayers.com.au/article/di ... -the-best/



Diesel hoping Carlton get a couple "serious" midfielders traded in.

You see its not just about the coal face they will be handy, but in supporting the development of the younger ones, and, importanly to release cripps forward to do damage on the scoreboard, more than he's doing now.

Just because we didnt snag Shiel last year due to the desire to get Walsh with pick 1, and Cogs as a FA this year, doesn't mean we just stop trying to get them in. We need them to advance our game.

Everyone saw what one little midfielder called Lachie Neale did for Brisbane's rise this year.

Imagine if we can snag a Wines type this year and if not another this year, then perhaps next year.

We don't need anymore kids to develop at the moment.

Pick 8 isn't going to get us a 19yo like Walsh to hit the ground running. Walsh is a freak.

Look at other pick 8's and how long they take to make the grade week in week out. Too long for where we are at.

Fingers crossed. Wines or the like are secured this year.

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Great explanation 17th. The parallels between Betts and Hodge are obvious. Betts is not Hodge, but there's similarities in situation and the qualities he brings back to the club, and hopefully he stay on board for another 5 years mentoring all players let alone the indigenous boys: SPS, Martin, and there will be others to replace Garlett and Pickett. Adding another layer to our attractiveness as a Destination club.

Get onboard the Teague Train Toot Toot.

"Toot-Toot in 20-20"

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See in red.

You aren't saying the 3 haven't got potential? Are you?

Top 10 picks says plenty of potential.

No denying they have all shown plenty of signs they belong at AFL level.
They've shown these great signs as 19yo thrown amongst the wolves and stood up.

Dow turns 20yo this month.
He already has a highlights reel.
He's won hard ball in packs and burst out with speed. Say no more.

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We seem to agree on the value of Hodge and the scarcity of his abilities. And there is no doubt on Eddies goal sense and ability to assist in goals. Not sure of how much of that is actually trainable as players like him seem to be very rare. IMO If we need to bring in a player to help strengthen Teague's impact then we have appointed the wrong coach.

Out of interest what do you think would be a fair trade and value for Eddies services?

Trade value - at best pick 40 or ideally lower, assuming this is not a super draft.
Otherwise, let it go and if we really believe he can improve us as a mentor, then bring him in after his contract expires next season.
Price $500k (More than we offered him a few years back but less than he is getting now but with additional couple of years of assistant/mentoring to offset that). Assumes he wants out of Adelaide.
Also, we would know if Adelaide we’re close to delisting him. If so, late late pick similar to Hodge.

Having said all that, I’d be focusing 1st, 2nd and 3rd on Papley. Not sure on Martin - happy to get him but probably need the price to match the risk.
And I’m most worried about our ruck situation. Kruezer is ok for next year but we really need a way better than average ruckman going forward. Is TDK that guy?


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No I'm not. And I think if you put the whole paragraph in context you'd see that.

But as far as potential goes, top 10 doesn't mean that much. As history has proven on many occasions other than more likely to play 200 games. Would you say Murphy, Kreuzer, Gibbs etc have lived up to their potential when we drafted them?

The fact is we don't know yet, they are kids playing at the elite level and although they have some highlights they are yet to make an impact like Walsh for example.

As I said before, I see him as a Judd like player and I hope this year has been second year blues and he comes back firing after the summer.

Yeah that seems pretty fair unless the pick 40 stopped us getting a mid. 500k would be good value, less would be better.

I agree we need another ruck, if we are hot on Cameron he could fill the void until TDK is ready to fire.
As I've stated before (many times ), our priorities should be ruck and mids and we don't sell the farm to get them. And if we can't then patience is required, because next year we should be better placed to attract quality FAs etc. We're not a destination club yet, but we are getting closer and the AFLs eyes will be on us next year to see how we go and if we are no longer a risk.

Why on earth would we want to give up anything for a 32+ year old who couldn't get a regular game for a team who is probably no better than us? I get the romance angle but he doesn't fit our profile needs at all.

I see we're linked to Tom Cutler under the Marchesani played a good game against us rule.

Think he's a handy addition to the list, and hopefully a long term Murphy replacement.

I'm personally not a fan of bringing in Eddie, but if they do, it had better be for pretty much nothing is my point.