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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:43 am 
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Serge Silvagni

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Crusader wrote:
At the end of this season, we will have 15 players on the list (32%) that have played 20 games or less. Of that group, Setterfield, Williamson, Stocker, De Koning, Schumacher & Ben Silvagni should get the opportunity to add to their tallies in 2020, although Schumacher will need a new contract to do so.

SCHUMACHER WOULD BE LUCKY TO GET A NEW CONTRACT. WILLIAMSON'S BACK MIGHT NEVER COME GOOD, WHICH WOULD BE TRAGIC.

Polson, Macreadie & O'Dwyer will clog the main list for one more year.

IF HE CAN BEAT INJURY MACREADIE'S A KEEPER

Goddard, Deluca, Cottrell, LeBois & Owies are rookies with no prospects, whilst Kerr needs to hope a rookie spot opens up.

DISAGREE ABOUT DELUCA AND OWIES HAVING NO FUTURE.

Of those with more than 20 games to their name; Thomas & Pickett are gone from the main list already, with Fasolo, Lang, Garlett & Lobbe to follow. Bugg was an early scratching from the rookie list, with all of Goddard, Deluca, Cottrell & LeBois set to be turned over as well.

DISAGREE RE DELUCA AND MAYBE EVEN COTTRELL

At least six new additions to the main list, with another five to be added to the rookie list.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:02 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Players who get 'retired' in November don't get much of an opportunity to stand in front of the group and speak their piece.

250 game players deserve that opportunity at the very least.



:clap: :clap: :clap:

Respect



Very well said.

I’m not a fan of Daisy and have never liked him at the club, that said - I’m glad he got an opportunity to retire playing amongst the fans on the home of Footy with his family watching on and then in the arms of his teammates.

Business is business, but it was respectful of Carlton to at least give him this opportunity rather than telling him in a meeting post season.

He played a cracker of a game too.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:32 pm 
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Serge Silvagni

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BigKev wrote:
Still not getting the Thomas decision.
Surely there has to be more to this than meets the eye?


$$$$$$ He was / is playing well enough to go again for one more year


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:46 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
Maybe making room for Gibbs?


Gibbs, Betts and Sauce all on the chopping block at Adelaide. Lets get them all back now that Adelaide have drained the blood out of them. Only kidding - all on big money and no longer worth it. Betts $700 - $800k, Gibbs $600k, Sauce $400k - forget it !

The one I would go after from Adelaide is Alex Keith. Tall defender, former elite cricketer who is a Victorian I think and would not be on big dollars. All class and out of contract from what I have heard.


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 Post subject: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:48 pm 
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Wouldn’t mind giving young Quirk a spot on the rookie list next year.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:53 pm 
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Asp wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Maybe making room for Gibbs?


Gibbs, Betts and Sauce all on the chopping block at Adelaide. Lets get them all back now that Adelaide have drained the blood out of them. Only kidding - all on big money and no longer worth it. Betts $700 - $800k, Gibbs $600k, Sauce $400k - forget it !

The one I would go after from Adelaide is Alex Keith. Tall defender, former elite cricketer who is a Victorian I think and would not be on big dollars. All class and out of contract from what I have heard.

We don't need another key defender


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:37 pm 
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What is the Adelaide-Carlton trade tracker showing now?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:51 pm 
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What is the Adelaide-Carlton trade tracker showing now?


Big smiles. :thumbsup:

(We give up #3, receive #9)

The Dogs and Port win next week and #9 becomes #8.
The impossible happens and we beats the Cats and St.Kilda wins and #3 becomes #4.

(Discounting any PPs of course.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:03 pm 
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We still have too many talls on our list.
Sos has to be thinking of trading one or two. Id Casboult is to stay Id think about trading Marchbank or even Harry.
Both fine players but you cant put a 22 together with them all in and they are too good to be depth players.
Teague showed he doesnt rely on height not replacing Jones or Jacob with like players.
There is no way (or at least I hope) that he playes Weitering, Jones , Plow and Marchbank in the same backline like the bad old days with Bolton. Cant see him playing Charley, Mclovin, Casboult and Harry in the same forward line.
In reserve we have TDK and BSOS coming though. Kennedy can play a role.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:17 pm 
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club29 wrote:
We still have too many talls on our list.
Sos has to be thinking of trading one or two. Id Casboult is to stay Id think about trading Marchbank or even Harry.
Both fine players but you cant put a 22 together with them all in and they are too good to be depth players.
Teague showed he doesnt rely on height not replacing Jones or Jacob with like players.
There is no way (or at least I hope) that he playes Weitering, Jones , Plow and Marchbank in the same backline like the bad old days with Bolton. Cant see him playing Charley, Mclovin, Casboult and Harry in the same forward line.
In reserve we have TDK and BSOS coming though. Kennedy can play a role.



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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:26 pm 
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well, it is a fact that we do need to make space for 3-4 players, so when I look at the entire senior list, I feel that the following players need to be moved on:

1- Lang: tries hard but is not AFL Standards.

2- Garlett: Battled injury and has no consistency

3- Lobe: Phillips is ahead of him.

4- Fasolo: Clearly hasn't worked. He is past his best

5- Macreadie: I just don't feel he is AFL standard. He is had his chances but so far nothing to show for



Whilst happy to keep them on the list for another year, i have big question marks over : Polson, Williamson ( because of his injury), Phillips, Kerr, Odwyer, and Cunningham.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:26 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
club29 wrote:
We still have too many talls on our list.
Sos has to be thinking of trading one or two. Id Casboult is to stay Id think about trading Marchbank or even Harry.
Both fine players but you cant put a 22 together with them all in and they are too good to be depth players.
Teague showed he doesnt rely on height not replacing Jones or Jacob with like players.
There is no way (or at least I hope) that he playes Weitering, Jones , Plow and Marchbank in the same backline like the bad old days with Bolton. Cant see him playing Charley, Mclovin, Casboult and Harry in the same forward line.
In reserve we have TDK and BSOS coming though. Kennedy can play a role.



:eek:


Put a 22 together. Show me how it works?
Do you think our talls are too good for depth players?
If Marchbank could help you get small forward (Papley) would you do it?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:34 pm 
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club29 wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
club29 wrote:
We still have too many talls on our list.
Sos has to be thinking of trading one or two. Id Casboult is to stay Id think about trading Marchbank or even Harry.
Both fine players but you cant put a 22 together with them all in and they are too good to be depth players.
Teague showed he doesnt rely on height not replacing Jones or Jacob with like players.
There is no way (or at least I hope) that he playes Weitering, Jones , Plow and Marchbank in the same backline like the bad old days with Bolton. Cant see him playing Charley, Mclovin, Casboult and Harry in the same forward line.
In reserve we have TDK and BSOS coming though. Kennedy can play a role.



:eek:


Put a 22 together. Show me how it works?
Do you think our talls are too good for depth players?
If Marchbank could help you get small forward (Papley) would you do it?


Well firstly it appears to be rare that we have all our talls fit at once.
Secondly Harry, and Charlie are fast and apply pressure
Thirdly we could always move Charlie onto a wing?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:51 pm 
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Asp wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Maybe making room for Gibbs?


Gibbs, Betts and Sauce all on the chopping block at Adelaide. Lets get them all back now that Adelaide have drained the blood out of them. Only kidding - all on big money and no longer worth it. Betts $700 - $800k, Gibbs $600k, Sauce $400k - forget it !

The one I would go after from Adelaide is Alex Keith. Tall defender, former elite cricketer who is a Victorian I think and would not be on big dollars. All class and out of contract from what I have heard.


Keith's value has increased substantilly this year, won't be on the same low dollars next year with a new contract looming, anyway another tall is far from what we need.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:51 pm 
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Arnhem blues wrote:
club29 wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
club29 wrote:
We still have too many talls on our list.
Sos has to be thinking of trading one or two. Id Casboult is to stay Id think about trading Marchbank or even Harry.
Both fine players but you cant put a 22 together with them all in and they are too good to be depth players.
Teague showed he doesnt rely on height not replacing Jones or Jacob with like players.
There is no way (or at least I hope) that he playes Weitering, Jones , Plow and Marchbank in the same backline like the bad old days with Bolton. Cant see him playing Charley, Mclovin, Casboult and Harry in the same forward line.
In reserve we have TDK and BSOS coming though. Kennedy can play a role.



:eek:


Put a 22 together. Show me how it works?
Do you think our talls are too good for depth players?
If Marchbank could help you get small forward (Papley) would you do it?


Well firstly it appears to be rare that we have all our talls fit at once.
Secondly Harry, and Charlie are fast and apply pressure
Thirdly we could always move Charlie onto a wing?


We have been a lot better since we have played with a smaller team. Boltons 22 were always far too tall. We could never apply pressure for long enough even though he said we wanted to be defined by pressure. We were good at it for 12 mins a quarter on a good day. He gave us no chance. No surprise we are better with a smaller team. SPS in Marchbanks position is just one thing that has worked brilliantly. Even seems to have helped play Plow into career best form.

We dont need to play with a forward line with Cas, Harry, MCgovern and Curnow. Teague would never do it anyway.
Would be silly to play Charley up on a wing. We have wingmen. He loves being the main man inside 50.
We could use a quality small forward.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:31 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
What is the Adelaide-Carlton trade tracker showing now?


Big smiles. :thumbsup:

(We give up #3, receive #9)

The Dogs and Port win next week and #9 becomes #8.
The impossible happens and we beats the Cats and St.Kilda wins and #3 becomes #4.

(Discounting any PPs of course.

big win by the roos and #8 becomes #7


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:32 pm 
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The fans would go berserk if Harry was traded.

Marchbank is still uncontracted I think though....


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:39 pm 
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Wouldn’t trade any of our talls. We’ve needed them all in parts this season and depth in that area is our strength. Pressure for spots is essential.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:07 pm 
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We haven’t been playing a smaller forward line.
Last week 2 weeks for instance we played with Casboult, McKay, SOJ, McGovern. That’s not small.
This week we replaced Cass with Kennedy but only because of necessity.
I feel Charlie, McKay, SOJ and MCGov will be our long term forward line.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:44 am 
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we need to add some QUICK players into the team,particular in defence .Players i would use for trade bait would be plowman and kennedy both to slow .


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