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Who should be Carlton's next coach?
Teague 48%  48%  [ 125 ]
B Scott 2%  2%  [ 4 ]
Clarkson 13%  13%  [ 34 ]
Ratten 13%  13%  [ 33 ]
Voss 7%  7%  [ 18 ]
Malthouse 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Walls 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Caracella 3%  3%  [ 9 ]
Longmuir 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Barker 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Leppitsch 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Mitchell 3%  3%  [ 7 ]
Bassett 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Burns 2%  2%  [ 6 ]
Roos 3%  3%  [ 8 ]
Other 5%  5%  [ 12 ]
Total votes : 262
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:27 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Sidefx go back and look at the team that played North in round 7
Ask yourself if that same group of players played against West coast in their current form since Teague took over would we have lost on the weekend

I would say the answer is no and this is the difference

Are you missing the Cliche Kid that much

And as for stifling young players development most if not all the Dows fishers etc would have hardly have played a game at other clubs
Bolton threw lambs to the slaughter whilst he had Murph on a wing and Ed playing half forward
Getting belted and bruised and losing each week would do more harm than good to a young developing player


Ummmmm......ok! :roll:

If we are going to speculate, then.............What if West Coast had their missing premiership players and Nic Nat? Or, what if West coast played more than a quarter and a half on the weekend? How much would've we lost by in both scenarios?


Nic Nat. Cripps.
Who else is missing from their best 22? It's a genuine question, I haven't looked.
As for Carlton, missing from our best 22 on Sunday IMO- (if fit)
Jones, Marchbank, Docherty, Thomas, Kreuzer, McGovern, Curnow, Cuningham.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:15 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Sidefx wrote:

Ummmmm......ok! :roll:

If we are going to speculate, then.............What if West Coast had their missing premiership players and Nic Nat? Or, what if West coast played more than a quarter and a half on the weekend? How much would've we lost by in both scenarios?


Nic Nat. Cripps.
Who else is missing from their best 22? It's a genuine question, I haven't looked.
As for Carlton, missing from our best 22 on Sunday IMO- (if fit)
Jones, Marchbank, Docherty, Thomas, Kreuzer, McGovern, Curnow, Cuningham.


Just had to look that up.
Players that played in the GF that are injured:
Liam Duggan, Daniel Venables, Jamie Cripps.
Plus Scott Lycett has moved on, can't really count him though or Docherty as this was a comparison against a game this year.

Before we get too far ahead of ourselves, the final score was very flattering to the way we played and West Coast still really only played a quarter and a half, then cooled the jets for the rest of the 3rd and 4th quarter.

Let's hope this week with some returnees we put in a better effort.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:15 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Big questions about Teague are whether or not he just provided a fresh change and picked off some low hanging fruit to unleash our improvement, whether or not he has a longer term plan to take the club forward and towards the top 4 and how will he respond if/when other clubs begin to counter our new game plan.

The big questions about Voss and Ratten are whether they have genuinely grown as coaches since their first stints. Both took their teams to finals. Voss then niaively made terrible recruiting decisions incl bringing in Fev and shooting for a flag, having over-rated the list. And I’ve heard queries about his man management. But he does have great aggressive traits which we could use and obviously led the Lions to a three-peat.
Ratten did everything asked of him at Carlton but the persistent queries amongst the club leadership was whether he had what it took to take us all the way. Admittedly, like the Lions, we over-rated our list at the time which featured Judd, Murphy, Kreuzer, Gibbs and Fev.

My feel from way outside the club is that Teague is the smartest and has the most even temperament of the three. He immediately tinkered with the game plan just enough to make a huge difference and the players have warmed to him. And then he shown a strong ability in the first few matches to respond tactically during the game. And I feel like he is very comfortable in his own skin. I think this equips him to be the best coach.
Voss strikes me as a natural leader and winner but not convinced he can devise and communicate to others as easily as he led in his playing days. But if he gets through the coaching selection hoops I’d be comfortable with him as coach.
I am sure Ratten has grown through his assistant role with the.hawks where he did a great job with their mids. However, as we saw with Bolton, seeing how Clarkson does things doesn’t mean that you can do them yourself. Again, if he goes through the process and wins, I am sure he will have proved himself worthy.
But at the end of the day, my preference as it stands now is: Teague, then Voss, then Ratten.
This assumes two things:
1) That we continue our good form and probably need to win at least one more match
2) That Clarkson is not available (for no more than $1m/yr - he is the best coach but paying him too much would cost us too much in other areas).


I have Voss a long last after his failure at Brisbane as coach. Don't want failures. At the same time Ratten was getting our side into finals on a regular basis. About the only one who has done no good from Clarkson's group is Bolton. Fagan, Hardwick, Simpson, Beverige have done pretty well i'd say.

I have Teague, then Ratten, then daylight.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:29 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Sidefx wrote:

Ummmmm......ok! :roll:

If we are going to speculate, then.............What if West Coast had their missing premiership players and Nic Nat? Or, what if West coast played more than a quarter and a half on the weekend? How much would've we lost by in both scenarios?


Nic Nat. Cripps.
Who else is missing from their best 22? It's a genuine question, I haven't looked.
As for Carlton, missing from our best 22 on Sunday IMO- (if fit)
Jones, Marchbank, Docherty, Thomas, Kreuzer, McGovern, Curnow, Cuningham.


Just had to look that up.
Players that played in the GF that are injured:
Liam Duggan, Daniel Venables, Jamie Cripps.
Plus Scott Lycett has moved on, can't really count him though or Docherty as this was a comparison against a game this year.

Before we get too far ahead of ourselves, the final score was very flattering to the way we played and West Coast still really only played a quarter and a half, then cooled the jets for the rest of the 3rd and 4th quarter.

Let's hope this week with some returnees we put in a better effort.


And for good reason, too. It's not like a good percentage will help them get a home QF.

Hold up.......what's that you say.......?????? :roll:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:53 pm 
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The Duke wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Sidefx wrote:

Ummmmm......ok! :roll:

If we are going to speculate, then.............What if West Coast had their missing premiership players and Nic Nat? Or, what if West coast played more than a quarter and a half on the weekend? How much would've we lost by in both scenarios?


Nic Nat. Cripps.
Who else is missing from their best 22? It's a genuine question, I haven't looked.
As for Carlton, missing from our best 22 on Sunday IMO- (if fit)
Jones, Marchbank, Docherty, Thomas, Kreuzer, McGovern, Curnow, Cuningham.


Just had to look that up.
Players that played in the GF that are injured:
Liam Duggan, Daniel Venables, Jamie Cripps.
Plus Scott Lycett has moved on, can't really count him though or Docherty as this was a comparison against a game this year.

Before we get too far ahead of ourselves, the final score was very flattering to the way we played and West Coast still really only played a quarter and a half, then cooled the jets for the rest of the 3rd and 4th quarter.

Let's hope this week with some returnees we put in a better effort.


And for good reason, too. It's not like a good percentage will help them get a home QF.

Hold up.......what's that you say.......?????? :roll:


Exactly

WCE had plenty to play for.
We over ran them in the end.

If not for a few shocking umpiring decisions against the Blues the margin should have been far less than 4 goals ... we would've built even more momentum than we had in the 2nd and they would have been chasing and panicking.

We was robbed again by umpires ... because we are a bottom 4 club? or because of their continued bias against Carlton? or because they are second rate umpires?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:57 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Before we get too far ahead of ourselves, the final score was very flattering to the way we played and West Coast still really only played a quarter and a half, then cooled the jets for the rest of the 3rd and 4th quarter.



West Coast are not capable of playing more than 2 quarters, they have won 54% of their quarters all year and like most teams rely on playing short periods of ballistic football and then defend that lead.

TBH we let them in the game when we benched Murphy, Walsh & Newman all at the same time in the second quarter and handed them momentum. I don't think that Teague will make that mistake again


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Caretaker coaches have had mixed results when given the full-time job
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... eef90bf42f

Worth a read.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:51 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
Caretaker coaches have had mixed results when given the full-time job
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... eef90bf42f

Worth a read.

Not worth my money though #paywall


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:59 pm 
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Scotty12000 wrote:
camelboy wrote:
Caretaker coaches have had mixed results when given the full-time job
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... eef90bf42f

Worth a read.

Not worth my money though #paywall

I might write an article and state that only 1 in 18 coaches is successful each year.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:20 pm 
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The Duke wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Sidefx wrote:

Ummmmm......ok! :roll:

If we are going to speculate, then.............What if West Coast had their missing premiership players and Nic Nat? Or, what if West coast played more than a quarter and a half on the weekend? How much would've we lost by in both scenarios?


Nic Nat. Cripps.
Who else is missing from their best 22? It's a genuine question, I haven't looked.
As for Carlton, missing from our best 22 on Sunday IMO- (if fit)
Jones, Marchbank, Docherty, Thomas, Kreuzer, McGovern, Curnow, Cuningham.


Just had to look that up.
Players that played in the GF that are injured:
Liam Duggan, Daniel Venables, Jamie Cripps.
Plus Scott Lycett has moved on, can't really count him though or Docherty as this was a comparison against a game this year.

Before we get too far ahead of ourselves, the final score was very flattering to the way we played and West Coast still really only played a quarter and a half, then cooled the jets for the rest of the 3rd and 4th quarter.

Let's hope this week with some returnees we put in a better effort.


And for good reason, too. It's not like a good percentage will help them get a home QF.

Hold up.......what's that you say.......?????? :roll:


The reality is Brisbane still have to beat Geelong (in QLD) and Richmond (in Vic). Where as the only tough game for WC is Richmond. Percentage might not even take effect, so why risk injuring your players. They clearly took the foot off the pedal, surely you could see that. The last quarter looked like a training drill for them. And the players showed nothing at the end of the game as though this was an expected win and the message was to get through the game unscathed.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:21 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
Caretaker coaches have had mixed results when given the full-time job
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... eef90bf42f

Worth a read.


Anyway you could please post this in the thread. Cant' get access and too cheap to pay. :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:26 pm 
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Lot's of whispers about Clarkson coming. Betting odds have shifted a fair bit in the last day also.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:46 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Sidefx wrote:

Ummmmm......ok! :roll:

If we are going to speculate, then.............What if West Coast had their missing premiership players and Nic Nat? Or, what if West coast played more than a quarter and a half on the weekend? How much would've we lost by in both scenarios?


Nic Nat. Cripps.
Who else is missing from their best 22? It's a genuine question, I haven't looked.
As for Carlton, missing from our best 22 on Sunday IMO- (if fit)
Jones, Marchbank, Docherty, Thomas, Kreuzer, McGovern, Curnow, Cuningham.


Just had to look that up.
Players that played in the GF that are injured:
Liam Duggan, Daniel Venables, Jamie Cripps.
Plus Scott Lycett has moved on, can't really count him though or Docherty as this was a comparison against a game this year.


Liam Duggan and Daniel Venables you say? Well, that makes all the difference. :razz:
Compared to Jones, Kreuzer, Marchbank, Thomas, Docherty, McGovern, Charlie Curnow and Cuningham.
And yes, Docherty. I include him because he's on our list. Lycett is playing for another team.

We have far more scope for improvement IMHO.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:46 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Lot's of whispers about Clarkson coming. Betting odds have shifted a fair bit in the last day also.


@#$%&! Clarkson

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I got a recording of Adam Simpson pregame speech to his players.
He clearly stated let the Blues get a few in front then we will put pedal to the metal. Once we get the lead just back off a bit.
We know they have come back from 30 to 40 points down before but this will be a test for us.
So out you go boys and don't knock yourself out treat this as a training drill

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:21 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
I got a recording of Adam Simpson pregame speech to his players.
He clearly stated let the Blues get a few in front then we will put pedal to the metal. Once we get the lead just back off a bit.
We know they have come back from 30 to 40 points down before but this will be a test for us.
So out you go boys and don't knock yourself out treat this as a training drill

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And if it costs them a trip to Brisbane first week of the finals instead of playing in front of a packed home ground, no matter, they'll just make a 4 day weekend out of it.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:31 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Sidefx wrote:

Ummmmm......ok! :roll:

If we are going to speculate, then.............What if West Coast had their missing premiership players and Nic Nat? Or, what if West coast played more than a quarter and a half on the weekend? How much would've we lost by in both scenarios?


Nic Nat. Cripps.
Who else is missing from their best 22? It's a genuine question, I haven't looked.
As for Carlton, missing from our best 22 on Sunday IMO- (if fit)
Jones, Marchbank, Docherty, Thomas, Kreuzer, McGovern, Curnow, Cuningham.


Just had to look that up.
Players that played in the GF that are injured:
Liam Duggan, Daniel Venables, Jamie Cripps.
Plus Scott Lycett has moved on, can't really count him though or Docherty as this was a comparison against a game this year.


Liam Duggan and Daniel Venables you say? Well, that makes all the difference. :razz:
Compared to Jones, Kreuzer, Marchbank, Thomas, Docherty, McGovern, Charlie Curnow and Cuningham.
And yes, Docherty. I include him because he's on our list. Lycett is playing for another team.

We have far more scope for improvement IMHO.


Agreed & no offence to the premiership players, but if i bumped into Duggan and Venables i wouldn't have a @#$%&! clue I was bumping into Duggan and Venables.
Unless it's the same Venables that coached the Socceroos all those years ago...I know what that one looks like


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:33 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
Caretaker coaches have had mixed results when given the full-time job
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... eef90bf42f

Worth a read.


Not surprising as they take over shit teams.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:38 pm 
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It would be so typical of old Carlton to blow the bank on messiah Clarkson


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anyway, I'm over caring so whatever... :lol:


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