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Who should be Carlton's next coach?
Teague 48%  48%  [ 125 ]
B Scott 2%  2%  [ 4 ]
Clarkson 13%  13%  [ 34 ]
Ratten 13%  13%  [ 33 ]
Voss 7%  7%  [ 18 ]
Malthouse 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Walls 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Caracella 3%  3%  [ 9 ]
Longmuir 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Barker 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Leppitsch 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Mitchell 3%  3%  [ 7 ]
Bassett 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Burns 2%  2%  [ 6 ]
Roos 3%  3%  [ 8 ]
Other 5%  5%  [ 12 ]
Total votes : 262
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:51 pm 
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I agree and without getting labelled "pro Bolton" again my questions still are:
1. BB was brought in as a great people person, teacher and can build relationships, as per the strengths in the article. So why didn't it work?
2. What was BB being asked to do with the playing group? i.e. accelerate the development of young talent only (the only plausible explanation for not having Ed and Murph in the middle).
3. Was his lack of flexibility guided from above? And is this why they had Walls in the box?
4. Is Teague being told what to do from above? i.e. put the mature players back on the ground and in the middle to win games.
5. If so, is this just a plan from above to showcase the possibilities of the team to future players, a proven coach and membership sales? All with having a back up in Teague himself.
6. And taking the possibility of the above into account, does the board believe Teague is a genuine contender if they are in-fact directing him from the top?

A transparent review process from the club would be nice. Because without insider knowledge on this, it's all a bit assumptive.

May the wins keep coming until the end of the season.

It may be a plan from above to put mature bodies in the middle, but Murphy, Curnow and co have been in the middle for some absolute smashings. Teague is doing something to rejuvenate our veterans and have our youngsters playing out of their skins; he's not getting messages from above at half time to make tactical changes which have seen several victories now. He's got every player singing his praises and that's not just coz they're winning, it's because of what he's doing that's making them want to win and executing it. "Above" can't and don't motivate the players; clearly Teague is doing the right things internally to create such a massive 180...and I was a Bolts fan.


I agree.
However, I would still like to have more of an explanation from the club regarding the process before and now and if they have changed their view or criteria.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:22 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Scotty12000 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I agree and without getting labelled "pro Bolton" again my questions still are:
1. BB was brought in as a great people person, teacher and can build relationships, as per the strengths in the article. So why didn't it work?
2. What was BB being asked to do with the playing group? i.e. accelerate the development of young talent only (the only plausible explanation for not having Ed and Murph in the middle).
3. Was his lack of flexibility guided from above? And is this why they had Walls in the box?
4. Is Teague being told what to do from above? i.e. put the mature players back on the ground and in the middle to win games.
5. If so, is this just a plan from above to showcase the possibilities of the team to future players, a proven coach and membership sales? All with having a back up in Teague himself.
6. And taking the possibility of the above into account, does the board believe Teague is a genuine contender if they are in-fact directing him from the top?

A transparent review process from the club would be nice. Because without insider knowledge on this, it's all a bit assumptive.

May the wins keep coming until the end of the season.

It may be a plan from above to put mature bodies in the middle, but Murphy, Curnow and co have been in the middle for some absolute smashings. Teague is doing something to rejuvenate our veterans and have our youngsters playing out of their skins; he's not getting messages from above at half time to make tactical changes which have seen several victories now. He's got every player singing his praises and that's not just coz they're winning, it's because of what he's doing that's making them want to win and executing it. "Above" can't and don't motivate the players; clearly Teague is doing the right things internally to create such a massive 180...and I was a Bolts fan.


I agree.
However, I would still like to have more of an explanation from the club regarding the process before and now and if they have changed their view or criteria.
Stop overthinking it. Just sit back and enjoy it. All of the points you make above are irrelevant.... AND above our pay grades. If you got all that info you want, what would you do with it?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:14 pm 
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If we win this weekend, the only way to sell anyone else other than Teague is to get Clarkson.

But I agree, Clarkson may be saying “yes, that’s interesting I’ll continue to think about it” but it’s still unrealistic. He is contracted, Hawks seem confident about landing more players and Mitchell returning. Maybe he is just trying to extract a few more dollars out of the Hawks? It’s what all managers do when their players want more money “Carlton are interested”.

We should charge a % fee every time a manager uses us to get their players a little bit more coin.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:50 pm 
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Clarkson is a red herring.

Firstly, I simply don't believe he's even in the conversation for the job at Carlton (by either our camp, or his).

Secondly, Clarkson got exquisitely lucky with some of the players the club brought in early on in their "golden era", rode a wave of compromised drafts and a weakened competition in the years that followed, and has been able to pick the eyes out of feeder clubs ever since. And where are the Hawks on the ladder now?

With all the talent they have on their list, if he was the master everyone says he is, they'd be further up the ladder.



He must be the luckiest 4 time premiership coach of all time.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:13 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
Stop overthinking it. Just sit back and enjoy it. All of the points you make above are irrelevant.... AND above our pay grades. If you got all that info you want, what would you do with it?

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Yes, one of the problems with an overactive, analytical mind. As my wife likes to constantly remind me of. :lol:

I don't think the questions are irrelevant though (unless Teague is in the bag already). Either way, time to enjoy the rest of the season and wait until we appoint a head coach.
And try not to F...........it up again for the umpteenth time Carlton.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:16 pm 
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Actually, for what was initially anticipated to be a caretaker role, I reckon the pressure might now be starting to mount on the lad to see how he continues his coaching run...

If you said at the start of his interim tenure that he could get 5 wins out this side, you'd sign him straight up. Now as the wins have mounted, it feels like the expectations for him and the players to continue winning keeps rising.

What if they lose the remaining matches which in reality, given the tough run home is a strong possibility... If the number of "acceptable" proven alternatives seem to be drying up, it makes for an interesting dilemma for the selection committee.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:00 pm 
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@#$%&! winning, just keep them playing the style etc and for now I am happy.

Next year he better @#$%&! win!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:33 pm 
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Blue Monday wrote:
Actually, for what was initially anticipated to be a caretaker role, I reckon the pressure might now be starting to mount on the lad to see how he continues his coaching run...

If you said at the start of his interim tenure that he could get 5 wins out this side, you'd sign him straight up. Now as the wins have mounted, it feels like the expectations for him and the players to continue winning keeps rising.

What if they lose the remaining matches which in reality, given the tough run home is a strong possibility... If the number of "acceptable" proven alternatives seem to be drying up, it makes for an interesting dilemma for the selection committee.


I guess that was my concern with the questions above. Teague might just end up being a puppet for the board and if appointed and with real pressure, unlike the last 5 weeks or really the next 4 (being mostly top of the ladder teams), he might crumble next season and we are back to where we were 7 weeks ago. Especially if opposition teams nut out his game style. Mid next year we might again be looking for the next "breath of fresh air" with another season down the tube and possibly losing talent (obviously worse case scenario).
Plus no one can answer if an interim coach (no matter how many games we have won) can attract A-Grade talent?
And if we don't win anymore this year, will most have the same love for Teague if we finish up with 5 wins and 6 loses?

I think I'm clearly still a beaten man when it comes to our dismal history in coaching appointments. :banghead:


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@#$%&! winning, just keep them playing the style etc and for now I am happy.

Next year he better @#$%&! win!

:lol: :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:26 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Blue Monday wrote:
Actually, for what was initially anticipated to be a caretaker role, I reckon the pressure might now be starting to mount on the lad to see how he continues his coaching run...

If you said at the start of his interim tenure that he could get 5 wins out this side, you'd sign him straight up. Now as the wins have mounted, it feels like the expectations for him and the players to continue winning keeps rising.

What if they lose the remaining matches which in reality, given the tough run home is a strong possibility... If the number of "acceptable" proven alternatives seem to be drying up, it makes for an interesting dilemma for the selection committee.


I guess that was my concern with the questions above. Teague might just end up being a puppet for the board and if appointed and with real pressure, unlike the last 5 weeks or really the next 4 (being mostly top of the ladder teams), he might crumble next season and we are back to where we were 7 weeks ago. Especially if opposition teams nut out his game style. Mid next year we might again be looking for the next "breath of fresh air" with another season down the tube and possibly losing talent (obviously worse case scenario).
Plus no one can answer if an interim coach (no matter how many games we have won) can attract A-Grade talent?
And if we don't win anymore this year, will most have the same love for Teague if we finish up with 5 wins and 6 loses?

I think I'm clearly still a beaten man when it comes to our dismal history in coaching appointments. :banghead:


basically that could be appointment but truth is we are close now, talent etc. I think teague has coached really well. I am not averse to Ratts and if i was clarkson I 'd say @#$%&! hawthorn i want that mob.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:31 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Blue Monday wrote:
Actually, for what was initially anticipated to be a caretaker role, I reckon the pressure might now be starting to mount on the lad to see how he continues his coaching run...

If you said at the start of his interim tenure that he could get 5 wins out this side, you'd sign him straight up. Now as the wins have mounted, it feels like the expectations for him and the players to continue winning keeps rising.

What if they lose the remaining matches which in reality, given the tough run home is a strong possibility... If the number of "acceptable" proven alternatives seem to be drying up, it makes for an interesting dilemma for the selection committee.


I guess that was my concern with the questions above. Teague might just end up being a puppet for the board and if appointed and with real pressure, unlike the last 5 weeks or really the next 4 (being mostly top of the ladder teams), he might crumble next season and we are back to where we were 7 weeks ago. Especially if opposition teams nut out his game style. Mid next year we might again be looking for the next "breath of fresh air" with another season down the tube and possibly losing talent (obviously worse case scenario).
Plus no one can answer if an interim coach (no matter how many games we have won) can attract A-Grade talent?
And if we don't win anymore this year, will most have the same love for Teague if we finish up with 5 wins and 6 loses?

I think I'm clearly still a beaten man when it comes to our dismal history in coaching appointments. :banghead:


basically that could be appointment but truth is we are close now, talent etc. I think teague has coached really well. I am not averse to Ratts and if i was clarkson I 'd say @#$%&! hawthorn i want that mob.


Yeah, I agree we are close. Now it's time to trade in some guns that want to get on board. The thing that scares me is Carlton have a knack of messing it up from here. It's been a long time since drinks and we're all a little parched.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:30 pm 
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Teague has done everything we could have asked in the past 7 weeks. I don’t think anyone would have thought we’d win 5 out of the first 7 he coached. I think his game plan holds up really well for how footy is now played. Most noticeably we want to be more attacking and defend in our forward half which gives us the ability to actually punish teams when we get momentum. It’s now at the point where it’s a big risk to actually tinker with what’s happened in the past 7 weeks. Unless Clarkson is a real chance, I think we may have found our man.

I think Ratts could do a good job too but I can’t see it happening. I’m confident he’d rather the saints job after how it ended with us last time and I can’t see the board effectively admitting error in sacking him by trying to re-sign him now.

Ross should be crossed off the list. Freo don’t want him. The only thing stopping them parting ways is the $1 million payout. The dockers have dished up absolutely garbage for more than a month now. He needs to be ruled out.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:36 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Blue Monday wrote:
Actually, for what was initially anticipated to be a caretaker role, I reckon the pressure might now be starting to mount on the lad to see how he continues his coaching run...

If you said at the start of his interim tenure that he could get 5 wins out this side, you'd sign him straight up. Now as the wins have mounted, it feels like the expectations for him and the players to continue winning keeps rising.

What if they lose the remaining matches which in reality, given the tough run home is a strong possibility... If the number of "acceptable" proven alternatives seem to be drying up, it makes for an interesting dilemma for the selection committee.


I guess that was my concern with the questions above. Teague might just end up being a puppet for the board and if appointed and with real pressure, unlike the last 5 weeks or really the next 4 (being mostly top of the ladder teams), he might crumble next season and we are back to where we were 7 weeks ago. Especially if opposition teams nut out his game style. Mid next year we might again be looking for the next "breath of fresh air" with another season down the tube and possibly losing talent (obviously worse case scenario).
Plus no one can answer if an interim coach (no matter how many games we have won) can attract A-Grade talent?
And if we don't win anymore this year, will most have the same love for Teague if we finish up with 5 wins and 6 loses?

I think I'm clearly still a beaten man when it comes to our dismal history in coaching appointments. :banghead:


basically that could be appointment but truth is we are close now, talent etc. I think teague has coached really well. I am not averse to Ratts and if i was clarkson I 'd say @#$%&! hawthorn i want that mob.


Yeah, I agree we are close. Now it's time to trade in some guns that want to get on board. The thing that scares me is Carlton have a knack of messing it up from here. It's been a long time since drinks and we're all a little parched.


Thats sounds a bit once bitten - twice (3, 4, 5 times) shy, and as supporters of this club, thats perfectly understandible

I know we've all said it before, BUT this time around, it does look, sound, feel different..

I'll leaving the Board aside for fear of stirring a discussion that this isn't meant for here, but the management and governance structures around the club (Liddle, Lloyd, SOS, even Russell) just seem to be in a bit more in command and in control to let the decision re the coach be made on a whim. I don't think they'll let it slip this time around.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:34 pm 
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Clarko will not come to us.

Bolts is a family friend and Clarko would not do it to him. Imagine that...eating the fruits of his friends hard work.

Assuming our form holds in the next 4 weeks, appoint Teague and build a very strong team of assistants around him. Money better spent and not directed to Paul Roos annual USA sojourn.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:50 am 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
Clarko will not come to us.

Bolts is a family friend and Clarko would not do it to him. Imagine that...eating the fruits of his friends hard work.

Assuming our form holds in the next 4 weeks, appoint Teague and build a very strong team of assistants around him. Money better spent and not directed to Paul Roos annual USA sojourn.


That's my take too. He wouldn't dance on his grave.

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Rod Waddell wrote:
Clarko will not come to us.

Bolts is a family friend and Clarko would not do it to him. Imagine that...eating the fruits of his friends hard work.

Assuming our form holds in the next 4 weeks, appoint Teague and build a very strong team of assistants around him. Money better spent and not directed to Paul Roos annual USA sojourn.


That's my take too. He wouldn't dance on Bolts grave.

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The board are on a hiding to nothing if they don't appoint Teague. If they go Voss/Hinkley/Scott/Clarkson, they would want to hope that it doesn't blow up in their faces because the supporters would burn the place to the ground and push for the whole lot to be sacked. Arguably, Teague has to jump through MORE hoops than any other prospective coach. Voss/Hinkley/Scott/Clarkson don't have to show that they can make the side play well, whereas Teague does - and has. We appointed Ratten with zero wins from his stint as caretaker, and some people want him back. Teague has blown that number out of the water and we're still non-committal.

If Teague doesn't get the job because he doesn't want it, fair enough. But if Teague doesn't get the job because we appointed another coach, I'm tapping out.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:28 am 
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stubba wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:
Clarko will not come to us.

Bolts is a family friend and Clarko would not do it to him. Imagine that...eating the fruits of his friends hard work.

Assuming our form holds in the next 4 weeks, appoint Teague and build a very strong team of assistants around him. Money better spent and not directed to Paul Roos annual USA sojourn.


That's my take too. He wouldn't dance on Bolts grave.


That's a fair point.


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Next week v WCE will tell us a lot.

That's what everyone said about the Adelaide game


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