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Who should be Carlton's next coach?
Teague 48%  48%  [ 125 ]
B Scott 2%  2%  [ 4 ]
Clarkson 13%  13%  [ 34 ]
Ratten 13%  13%  [ 33 ]
Voss 7%  7%  [ 18 ]
Malthouse 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Walls 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Caracella 3%  3%  [ 9 ]
Longmuir 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Barker 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Leppitsch 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Mitchell 3%  3%  [ 7 ]
Bassett 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Burns 2%  2%  [ 6 ]
Roos 3%  3%  [ 8 ]
Other 5%  5%  [ 12 ]
Total votes : 262
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:39 am 
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I agree with the ladder position of the opposition but that's about it. Phillips (for Kruezer) killed it, Casboult (for Charlie) is killing it, McGovern looks fitter already but hasn't really made an impact this year and there are plenty of players already filling Cunners spot. As for the Doc, pretty much all teams have a good player out each week. However a tall like Marchbank is a concern. Maybe they rush McGovern back in?
We have the best injury list we have had in years but all of this doesn't matter if the wins can't attract A-grade mids. This is why we really need to knock off some of these top teams to get the attention of these players. Or we bring in someone that can.
IMO 1 or 2 new A-grade mids = finals next year.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:47 am 
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Ratts wants the Saints gig.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/07/28/ ... kilda-job/

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…Ratten has previously said he’d consider running for the Carlton job, the team he coached from 2007 to 2012, as well as the North Melbourne job if he was asked.

But he has told Gerard Whateley that his main interest is in taking the Saints job, having guided them to back-to-back wins since replacing Alan Richardson…

“I’ll probably say if I was putting my chips in one or spreading them across the table a bit, I’d probably say mine are more in the St Kilda camp for sure.”

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:59 am 
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camelboy wrote:
Ratts wants the Saints gig.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/07/28/ ... kilda-job/

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…Ratten has previously said he’d consider running for the Carlton job, the team he coached from 2007 to 2012, as well as the North Melbourne job if he was asked.

But he has told Gerard Whateley that his main interest is in taking the Saints job, having guided them to back-to-back wins since replacing Alan Richardson…

“I’ll probably say if I was putting my chips in one or spreading them across the table a bit, I’d probably say mine are more in the St Kilda camp for sure.”


Sounds like he is either doing a bit of back paddling to keep that job option open or he's been chatting to people about possible open/closed doors.

Either way I hope he gets another crack at it.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:08 pm 
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playing the teams sitting 1st ,2nd and 4th in the run home along with a rejuvenated Saints - It is a tough ask for Teague considering no Curnow , a fat Mcgovern , no Docherty ,No Marchbank , Cunners struggling and Kruez sore .

If Teague wins 2 of the last 4 he has to get the job considering the circumstances and he has preformed miracles so far


No, I think that if we win one more game, the job is his.
I believe the equation is as follows, based on my belief (reading b/w the lines of Judd’s training wheels comment and the nature of our Board) that our power brokers are gunning for a big name, kind of like the team owner was pushing Kevin Costner to do in ‘Draft Day’ and therefore, Teague needs to make it completely untenable to choose anyone else (which he has now almost done):

Wins under Teague:
6 wins - the job is his.
5 wins - Teague would be the front runner but would require the backing of some very heavy hitters to overcome the existing bias towards an ‘experienced’ coach such as Clarkson or Ross Lyon. Could go either way.

Obviously the outcomes below are no longer relevant but this is what I’ve always thought...
4 wins - great job Teague but you’ll be an assistant again next year under the new messiah coach.
3 wins - thanks but the honeymoon is over
2 wins - thanks for the bounce but Barker also got us a couple of wins...
1 win - yeah, might as well have stuck with Bolton


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"Here are all the stupid things Carlton does/continues to do"

"and here are all the ways everyone else does things better than Carlton"

:mad:

Is there a worry room specially reserved for the coaching recruitment panel?
I'm starting to get nervous ...


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:17 pm 
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I would be surprised and disappointed if Teague’s suitability for the long term position is assessed solely on his win/loss record as caretaker.

I’ll be happy for him if he gets it, but there’s so many factors the selection panel needs to consider.

I will say this though - the club is going to have a PR battle on its hands if our current form continues until the end of the season (regardless of the number of wins) and it decides to pass on Teague.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:26 pm 
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It seems to me that Teague is totally confident in and committed to the players and the players feel it and feel exactly the same way about Teague.

They are playing extremely well under his guidance and they love it.

Why would you risk this existing synergy, which obviously working well, by bringing in a new coach.

What would a new coach offer that Teague doesn't?

Experience?

Give me a break!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:41 pm 
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stubba wrote:
What would a new coach offer that Teague doesn't?

Experience?

Give me a break!


I agree with that except for Clarkson.

I feel he is on a different plane to all the other coaches.

If he comes, we take him. If not, I am happy with Teague on current evidence.

No Voss, Ratten, Lyon and no way Scott

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:47 pm 
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Bluey44 wrote:
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"Here are all the stupid things Carlton does/continues to do"

"and here are all the ways everyone else does things better than Carlton"

:mad:

Is there a worry room specially reserved for the coaching recruitment panel?
I'm starting to get nervous ...


Fairly rubbish article but not for the reasons you state.

Just throws out a bunch of stuff with no real explanation and ends with some drivel about Clarkson being “non-obvious”.

Journalism... :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:48 pm 
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Good Lord I think I agree with stubba on something :eek: :thumbsup:

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Bluey44 wrote:
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"Here are all the stupid things Carlton does/continues to do"

"and here are all the ways everyone else does things better than Carlton"

:mad:

Is there a worry room specially reserved for the coaching recruitment panel?
I'm starting to get nervous ...


From the article:

Therefore a club will often precede its interview process with a review that gathers information from players, administrators, coaches and stakeholders to ensure their reading of what is required is not guesswork or based on a hunch.


I know I'm banging on about it a bit but this is what bothers me about Carlton. I've heard nothing in terms of review or assessment about the Bolton appointment. Hopefully they're just keeping all in doors. If they can't figure out what went wrong with "the process" then there's no chance of improving it.

Anyway, stuff the process now. We're 5-2. Give the bloke a couple of years.


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Sidefx wrote:
I agree with the ladder position of the opposition but that's about it. Phillips (for Kruezer) killed it, Casboult (for Charlie) is killing it, McGovern looks fitter already but hasn't really made an impact this year and there are plenty of players already filling Cunners spot. As for the Doc, pretty much all teams have a good player out each week. However a tall like Marchbank is a concern. Maybe they rush McGovern back in?
We have the best injury list we have had in years but all of this doesn't matter if the wins can't attract A-grade mids. This is why we really need to knock off some of these top teams to get the attention of these players. Or we bring in someone that can.
IMO 1 or 2 new A-grade mids = finals next year.


Geez you've raised the bar quickly.


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Donstuie wrote:
Good Lord I think I agree with stubba on something :eek: :thumbsup:


I know right? Me too. What a time to be alive.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:57 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
stubba wrote:
What would a new coach offer that Teague doesn't?

Experience?

Give me a break!


I agree with that except for Clarkson.

I feel he is on a different plane to all the other coaches.

If he comes, we take him. If not, I am happy with Teague on current evidence.

No Voss, Ratten, Lyon and no way Scott


My thoughts too now. Teague is definitely making his case but Clarkson would still be the pick.

I mean all of these A-Graders are not going to Hawthorn because they like wearing Brown and Yellow.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:00 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I agree with the ladder position of the opposition but that's about it. Phillips (for Kruezer) killed it, Casboult (for Charlie) is killing it, McGovern looks fitter already but hasn't really made an impact this year and there are plenty of players already filling Cunners spot. As for the Doc, pretty much all teams have a good player out each week. However a tall like Marchbank is a concern. Maybe they rush McGovern back in?
We have the best injury list we have had in years but all of this doesn't matter if the wins can't attract A-grade mids. This is why we really need to knock off some of these top teams to get the attention of these players. Or we bring in someone that can.
IMO 1 or 2 new A-grade mids = finals next year.


Geez you've raised the bar quickly.


Nope, same bar as before we lost out on Shiel. 2020 is the season we should be making finals, now it's up to the club to deliver A-Grade mids to do it.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:00 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
stubba wrote:
What would a new coach offer that Teague doesn't?

Experience?

Give me a break!


I agree with that except for Clarkson.

I feel he is on a different plane to all the other coaches.

If he comes, we take him. If not, I am happy with Teague on current evidence.

No Voss, Ratten, Lyon and no way Scott


A Clarkson appointment would bother me. Id find it hard to accept him at Ikon Park and supporting him. He is guilty of a serious dog act that I can't forgive. I don't think Aiken has. I would also be uncomfortable about the perception of him dancing on Bolton's grave. I liked Bolton as a person.

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Clarkson is a red herring.

Firstly, I simply don't believe he's even in the conversation for the job at Carlton (by either our camp, or his).

Secondly, Clarkson got exquisitely lucky with some of the players the club brought in early on in their "golden era", rode a wave of compromised drafts and a weakened competition in the years that followed, and has been able to pick the eyes out of feeder clubs ever since. And where are the Hawks on the ladder now?

With all the talent they have on their list, if he was the master everyone says he is, they'd be further up the ladder.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:05 pm 
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Stone Free wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Good Lord I think I agree with stubba on something :eek: :thumbsup:


I know right? Me too. What a time to be alive.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:18 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
Bluey44 wrote:
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"Here are all the stupid things Carlton does/continues to do"

"and here are all the ways everyone else does things better than Carlton"

:mad:

Is there a worry room specially reserved for the coaching recruitment panel?
I'm starting to get nervous ...


From the article:

Therefore a club will often precede its interview process with a review that gathers information from players, administrators, coaches and stakeholders to ensure their reading of what is required is not guesswork or based on a hunch.


I know I'm banging on about it a bit but this is what bothers me about Carlton. I've heard nothing in terms of review or assessment about the Bolton appointment. Hopefully they're just keeping all in doors. If they can't figure out what went wrong with "the process" then there's no chance of improving it.

Anyway, stuff the process now. We're 5-2. Give the bloke a couple of years.


I agree and without getting labelled "pro Bolton" again my questions still are:
1. BB was brought in as a great people person, teacher and can build relationships, as per the strengths in the article. So why didn't it work?
2. What was BB being asked to do with the playing group? i.e. accelerate the development of young talent only (the only plausible explanation for not having Ed and Murph in the middle).
3. Was his lack of flexibility guided from above? And is this why they had Walls in the box?
4. Is Teague being told what to do from above? i.e. put the mature players back on the ground and in the middle to win games.
5. If so, is this just a plan from above to showcase the possibilities of the team to future players, a proven coach and membership sales? All with having a back up in Teague himself.
6. And taking the possibility of the above into account, does the board believe Teague is a genuine contender if they are in-fact directing him from the top?

A transparent review process from the club would be nice. Because without insider knowledge on this, it's all a bit assumptive.

May the wins keep coming until the end of the season.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:37 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
BigKev wrote:
Bluey44 wrote:
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"Here are all the stupid things Carlton does/continues to do"

"and here are all the ways everyone else does things better than Carlton"

:mad:

Is there a worry room specially reserved for the coaching recruitment panel?
I'm starting to get nervous ...


From the article:

Therefore a club will often precede its interview process with a review that gathers information from players, administrators, coaches and stakeholders to ensure their reading of what is required is not guesswork or based on a hunch.


I know I'm banging on about it a bit but this is what bothers me about Carlton. I've heard nothing in terms of review or assessment about the Bolton appointment. Hopefully they're just keeping all in doors. If they can't figure out what went wrong with "the process" then there's no chance of improving it.

Anyway, stuff the process now. We're 5-2. Give the bloke a couple of years.


I agree and without getting labelled "pro Bolton" again my questions still are:
1. BB was brought in as a great people person, teacher and can build relationships, as per the strengths in the article. So why didn't it work?
2. What was BB being asked to do with the playing group? i.e. accelerate the development of young talent only (the only plausible explanation for not having Ed and Murph in the middle).
3. Was his lack of flexibility guided from above? And is this why they had Walls in the box?
4. Is Teague being told what to do from above? i.e. put the mature players back on the ground and in the middle to win games.
5. If so, is this just a plan from above to showcase the possibilities of the team to future players, a proven coach and membership sales? All with having a back up in Teague himself.
6. And taking the possibility of the above into account, does the board believe Teague is a genuine contender if they are in-fact directing him from the top?

A transparent review process from the club would be nice. Because without insider knowledge on this, it's all a bit assumptive.

May the wins keep coming until the end of the season.

It may be a plan from above to put mature bodies in the middle, but Murphy, Curnow and co have been in the middle for some absolute smashings. Teague is doing something to rejuvenate our veterans and have our youngsters playing out of their skins; he's not getting messages from above at half time to make tactical changes which have seen several victories now. He's got every player singing his praises and that's not just coz they're winning, it's because of what he's doing that's making them want to win and executing it. "Above" can't and don't motivate the players; clearly Teague is doing the right things internally to create such a massive 180...and I was a Bolts fan.


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