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blueboy23
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:27 pm 
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Darcy Cameron from the swans.
Tom Papley from the swans.
Steven Congolio from GWS.
Matt Buntine from GWS.
Ed Langdon from Freo.

Plenty of names plenty of opportunities to sign them up!!!
Money talks bullshi$ walks....


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Rexy
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-06-27/whats-the-deal-18-outofcontract-players-flying-under-the-radar
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GreatEx
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Gee there were a lot of Baileys and Rileys born in the late 90s!
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Crusader
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:31 pm 
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Steve_C7 wrote:
So exactly who is going to ruck when krooze is injured?

Tom de Koning would have to be good for something. As for something more senior, I've seen enough of Lobbe & Phillips to know that i've seen enough. Their output is replaceable. I'd take my chances in the off season.

We're in a tight position where the reserve ruck won't play unless the #1 is out. The McGovern trade has committed us to a one ruck system for at least the next few years, so the reserve needs to be someone that can contest up to 80-odd hit outs a game. There's only so much you can spend on that sort of role.

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 Post subject: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:16 pm 
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Steve_C7 wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Of the expiring contracts this year, i'd like to see:

KEEP
01 - Jack Silvagni... there's not a lot there, but he's fortunate to be the 'type' that's needed.
08 - Matthew Kreuzer... still doing some elite things out there. Probably gets +1 until they can't strap him together any more.
14 - Liam Jones... hopefully he's just fluked the ADBC on the baseline test & needs a few goes to get near the mark again.
22 - Caleb Marchbank... can play.
24 - Nic Newman... good enough, similar to Jack in that he fits a profile. Would rather see a midfielder in the role.
28 - David Cuningham... seen some ok things, some not-so-much.
40 - Michael Gibbons (r)... far from elite, but worthy of promotion nonetheless.

DON'T KNOW/CARE
06 - Kade Simpson... ball is in his court
19 - Angus Schumacher... never a great sign when your best work is as a spare, but a change of staff might make something of him?
36 - Patrick Kerr... McGovern is in his spot, which is already looking superfluous.
39 - Dale Thomas... they're not exactly knocking down the door to take his spot.
41 - Levi Casboult... I guess this one hinges on Jones & the rucks. Still the worst kick going around, but less heartache in the back half.
42 - Kym LeBois (r)
45 - Hugh Goddard (r)
46 - Matthew Cottrell (r)

THANKS, BUT NO THANKS
21 - Jarrod Garlett... can't fit into a side that is desperate for what he was drafted to provide.
27 - Matthew Lobbe... cheap, but no good.
34 - Andrew Phillips... same as Lobbe.


So exactly who is going to ruck when krooze is injured?


Casboult, De Koning, Jones or the new ruck we draft.
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Blue Sombrero
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Ryder for two years while TDK comes through?

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Crusader
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Costs aside, a forward six that starts with Curnow, McKay, McGovern & one of Kreuzer/Ryder is a bit top heavy, no?

At the very least, it forces Curnow & McKay into roles that deliver less to the team... it's a bit like batting Smith at 4 or 5 in a ODI. You still get elite Steve Smith, but not as much as you really need.

As I said in the Players Forum, it wouldn't be so bad if McGovern could run or jump. At the moment, they can defend him with a semi-athletic tall, giving them the height advantage one-on-one which compounds our weakness at ground level.

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Blue Sombrero
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Crusader wrote:
Costs aside, a forward six that starts with Curnow, McKay, McGovern & one of Kreuzer/Ryder is a bit top heavy, no?

At the very least, it forces Curnow & McKay into roles that deliver less to the team... it's a bit like batting Smith at 4 or 5 in a ODI. You still get elite Steve Smith, but not as much as you really need.

As I said in the Players Forum, it wouldn't be so bad if McGovern could run or jump. At the moment, they can defend him with a semi-athletic tall, giving them the height advantage one-on-one which compounds our weakness at ground level.

We are what we are. They don't all have to be on the ground at the same time. But yes, it is very tall.
I still think Charlie will become Kouta and play all over the ground at once.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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With 5 games left to go, I reckon it’s reasonably safe to say the following are gone/going-
Pickett
Fasolo
Garlett
Lobbe
LeBois(r)

I think (hope) there will be less list changes this year, so maybe that’ll be it, but the following must be under scrutiny too-
Kerr
Macreadie
Phillips
Polson
Schumacher
Williamson
Cottrell(r)

We won’t delist that entire group; Kerr, Phillips, Schumacher & Cottrell are currently uncontracted for 2020 (I think) and so must be the most vulnerable of them. Depending on the medical prognosis, I’m half wondering if Williamson might retire.

I’ve also got a feeling that we’ll lose Casboult to FA.

I hope Daisy & Simmo follow Murph & Kreuzer’s lead and play on for one more year. I also hope there’s nothing Shaun Grigg-ish going on with Cunningham... :?

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Menzel_Mayhem
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:39 pm 
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Williamson stays. Had a shit run with injuries but so has Setters and Kennedy..
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ferdinand
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Polson contracted for next year. Levi is in career best form and losing him would be a blow. Never thought I'd say that. Given the uncertainty over Williamson and Docherty, I'd be keeping Schumacher. It's unusual these days to keep someone more than 2 years if they haven't played seniors, but it could be to his benefit. As far as the rucks, Lobbe must be gone and Phillips' future could depend on who we could trade in. Between Kreuze, Casboult, TDK and a trade we'd probably be covered. Despite being made of tissue paper I'd be pissed if we lost Cuningham.
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Sidefx
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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I'd hope the club would be talking to the following players (not sure who has re-signed with their clubs):

Mids
Coniglio (RFA), Langdon, S Hill (UFA) and Ellis-Yolmen (UFA)
Rucks
Ceglar (UFA), Day (RFA) or Ryder. - all better upgrades on Lobbe and Phillips
Small forwards (not a huge priority)
Papley and Puopolo (UFA) - for the experience to run the forward line.
Backs
Tomlinson (UFA) and Houli (UFA)

Unfortunately, I think Williamson has to go. We already have Marchbank and Docherty who are constantly injured, we don't need anymore of these defenders on the list. It's time to start maturing the list with durable players and not "hopefuls" that they will get a clean run, those days are over as we get better. If Doc does his knee again he also needs to be put to pasture in the coaches box. Harsh but a reality for the benefit of the team.

The exciting part is, it's now time to start working on the bottom six players in the team.
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kezza
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:26 am 
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We have to keep winning to make us an attractive club to come to.
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kezza
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Mark Stevens on channel 7 news says that Thomas will likely be offered a contract for next year.
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bluegirl72
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Good.

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kezza wrote:
Mark Stevens on channel 7 news says that Thomas will likely be offered a contract for next year.


Good year. He earned it.
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Sidefx
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kezza wrote:
Mark Stevens on channel 7 news says that Thomas will likely be offered a contract for next year.


Excellent. He’s been playing some good football.
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tommi
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Excellent....

he's really stood up since he took the pay cut...!

our only Premiership player...and our kinda
Hodge...!


kindest regards tommi

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Sidefx
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I read this article this morning and it seemed good until I read this:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-25/ ... de-targets

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SAM DRAPER (Essendon*)

Draft picks: Mid second-round pick
Value on open market: $350,000-450,000 per season

Hard to gauge the value of a rookie coming off an ACL without a senior game to his name. Was closing in on a debut before his reconstruction in May and with the Saints and Bombers both chasing his signature, his value will rise.


Quote:
JACK SILVAGNI (CARLTON)

Draft picks: Early third-round pick
Value on open market: $200,000-300,000 per season

Has tinkered his role this season from half-forward to more midfield minutes. There's no shortage of inside midfielders on offer this year but has shown enough in the past month to suggest he'd be a valuable addition to a list.


So when in a sane world is an untried ACL injured rookie player worth more than a kid on the rise who is already showing great improvement this season?
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Sidefx
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On another note, aside from Coniglio and Langdon who'd be interested in Zac Jones from Sydney? He could provide that hard edge in the middle.
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