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murraycray · **Posted:** Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:04 am

A couple of after thoughts.
I notice Scott Camporeale being mentioned. I don't think that's an outrageous suggestion.

And what happens if caretaker Teague makes a fist of it and racks up a few wins ? You know, as we all want him to. Does he then become a serious contender ?

aboynamedsue · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm **Posts:** 6047

Blue Vain wrote:

There's plenty of options about. It's important we don't rush the decision.
Don't just look at the obvious.
There are a few coaches who would be worth interviewing and could excel within a coach/mentor model. Craig McRae is an example.

3 time premiership player with the Brisbane Lions.
10 year player with the Lions 1995-2004.
Bachelor of Teaching, with 4 years of Primary teaching experience.
Coached AFL QLD U/18's 2005-2006 including National Champions in 2006.
Was the State manager of AFL SportsReady in QLD/ NSW & ACT 2004-2006.
Business management Degree 2003
Level 3 Coaching Certificate 2007
Senior Coach Coburg VFL 2009
AFL Development Coach of the Year 2012
Richmond VFL coach 2016-
AFLCA runner up Assistant Coach of the year 2017

Current-
Richmond Football Club
VFL Coach
Oct 2015 – Present

Previous experience-
Melbourne Storm
Kicking Coach

Collingwood Football Club
Head of Development

Brisbane Lions
Reserves Coach/ Development Manager/ Forward Assistant Coach

Richmond Football Club
Head of Development
Dates Employed Sep 2006 – Sep 2009
Started and formed the Development Department at the Richmond Football Club in 2006-2009. Shaped beliefs around Developing and fast tracking young athletes into professional athletes.

AFL SportsReady
State Manager
Dates EmployedFeb 2004 – Sep 2006

Currently working within a successful environment with Hardwick, Caracella etc. Has coached his own teams successfully. Very highly rated by his players.

McRae is a very good suggestion. What mentor would you suggest under that model?

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17214

murraycray wrote:

Please, can we put the Roos suggestions in the wheelie bin. How many times has he said he's out of coaching period ?

I hear you, but with the coaching vacancy at Carlton you have to get the free meal at Raheen first before you can officially withdraw your name. I hear the wild scampi caviar from Western Australia is particularly good this time of year.

ScottSaunders2 · **Joined:** Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:40 pm **Posts:** 893

Blue Vain wrote:

There's plenty of options about. It's important we don't rush the decision.
Don't just look at the obvious.
There are a few coaches who would be worth interviewing and could excel within a coach/mentor model. Craig McRae is an example.

3 time premiership player with the Brisbane Lions.
10 year player with the Lions 1995-2004.
Bachelor of Teaching, with 4 years of Primary teaching experience.
Coached AFL QLD U/18's 2005-2006 including National Champions in 2006.
Was the State manager of AFL SportsReady in QLD/ NSW & ACT 2004-2006.
Business management Degree 2003
Level 3 Coaching Certificate 2007
Senior Coach Coburg VFL 2009
AFL Development Coach of the Year 2012
Richmond VFL coach 2016-
AFLCA runner up Assistant Coach of the year 2017

Current-
Richmond Football Club
VFL Coach
Oct 2015 – Present

Previous experience-
Melbourne Storm
Kicking Coach

Collingwood Football Club
Head of Development

Brisbane Lions
Reserves Coach/ Development Manager/ Forward Assistant Coach

Richmond Football Club
Head of Development
Dates Employed Sep 2006 – Sep 2009
Started and formed the Development Department at the Richmond Football Club in 2006-2009. Shaped beliefs around Developing and fast tracking young athletes into professional athletes.

AFL SportsReady
State Manager
Dates EmployedFeb 2004 – Sep 2006

Currently working within a successful environment with Hardwick, Caracella etc. Has coached his own teams successfully. Very highly rated by his players.

thats a fair bloody CV.

i like the romance of ratts, but the reality is, i have zero knowledge of the many assistants out there.

just have to have faith that the club makes the right call.

buzzaaaah · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:31 am **Posts:** 17892

DocSherrin III wrote:

murraycray wrote:

Please, can we put the Roos suggestions in the wheelie bin. How many times has he said he's out of coaching period ?

I hear you, but with the coaching vacancy at Carlton you have to get the free meal at Raheen first before you can officially withdraw your name. I hear the wild scampi caviar from Western Australia is particularly good this time of year.

His denial last night reeked of a "at the moment" type. He was very complimentary of Carlton and defended them against G Lyon.
I don't think he ruled himself out. He probably just said it would have to be a good offer

Stone Free · **Posted:** Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:45 am

buzzaaaah wrote:

DocSherrin III wrote:

murraycray wrote:

Please, can we put the Roos suggestions in the wheelie bin. How many times has he said he's out of coaching period ?

I hear you, but with the coaching vacancy at Carlton you have to get the free meal at Raheen first before you can officially withdraw your name. I hear the wild scampi caviar from Western Australia is particularly good this time of year.

His denial last night reeked of a "at the moment" type. He was very complimentary of Carlton and defended them against G Lyon.
I don't think he ruled himself out. He probably just said it would have to be a good offer

I don't think Roos wants to be to be top banana, but bringing him in as a coaching director with someone like Caracella under him as head coach would probably work wonders.

CFC8795 · **Posted:** Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:51 am

murraycray wrote:

A couple of after thoughts.
I notice Scott Camporeale being mentioned. I don't think that's an outrageous suggestion.

And what happens if caretaker Teague makes a fist of it and racks up a few wins ? You know, as we all want him to. Does he then become a serious contender ?

If he wins, say, 7 out of the 11 games left (dreaming), I reckon it would have to.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17998

aboynamedsue wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

There's plenty of options about. It's important we don't rush the decision.
Don't just look at the obvious.
There are a few coaches who would be worth interviewing and could excel within a coach/mentor model. Craig McRae is an example.

3 time premiership player with the Brisbane Lions.
10 year player with the Lions 1995-2004.
Bachelor of Teaching, with 4 years of Primary teaching experience.
Coached AFL QLD U/18's 2005-2006 including National Champions in 2006.
Was the State manager of AFL SportsReady in QLD/ NSW & ACT 2004-2006.
Business management Degree 2003
Level 3 Coaching Certificate 2007
Senior Coach Coburg VFL 2009
AFL Development Coach of the Year 2012
Richmond VFL coach 2016-
AFLCA runner up Assistant Coach of the year 2017

Current-
Richmond Football Club
VFL Coach
Oct 2015 – Present

Previous experience-
Melbourne Storm
Kicking Coach

Collingwood Football Club
Head of Development

Brisbane Lions
Reserves Coach/ Development Manager/ Forward Assistant Coach

Richmond Football Club
Head of Development
Dates Employed Sep 2006 – Sep 2009
Started and formed the Development Department at the Richmond Football Club in 2006-2009. Shaped beliefs around Developing and fast tracking young athletes into professional athletes.

AFL SportsReady
State Manager
Dates EmployedFeb 2004 – Sep 2006

Currently working within a successful environment with Hardwick, Caracella etc. Has coached his own teams successfully. Very highly rated by his players.

McRae is a very good suggestion. What mentor would you suggest under that model?

I'd look at all options. As much as I don't like him, I think it would be a possible role for a Roos type. Not a senior coach but a mentor. Perhaps sit in the box, provide feedback, attend a training session once a week or at least provide feedback on the program.
That's the most important aspect of Level 2,3,4 coaching courses. Obtaining a mentor and learning to take feedback and utilise it to develop your skill set. All recent premiership coaches have mentors they confer with. Our decision should be to formalise the role a bit more.
Roos is an egomaniac. He'd like the opportunity to take credit without putting in the hard yards and as much as I think he's overrated as a coach, he has significant experience and has admitted he has a strong interest in developing leadership. That's the critical component.

In saying all that, McRae is just a candidate but it shows that there are credentialed candidates out there. FWIW, I think Teague is the front runner.

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17214

Stone Free wrote:

I don't think Roos wants to be to be top banana, but bringing him in as a coaching director with someone like Caracella under him as head coach would probably work wonders.

I can't quite let go of the obvious connections and how the likes of SOS and Walls would view this as some sort of rare sliding doors moment that must be enacted upon. Walls loves Ross Lyon and has done since he coached him at Fitzroy. It's common knowledge they are close and catch up/speak regularly. Ross was instrumental in getting David Walls the recruiting manager job at Freo.

Lyon would love to work with his close mate Paul Roos. Roos and Walls have a history and get along well. Lyon and SOS are very close. Lyon helped his mate out when Carlton left him out in the cold in 2006. Brad Lloyd and Lyon still get along.

This is the last roll of the dice (coaching wise) for MLG and the legacy he is so desperate to leave. He can't take the risk and appoint another untried coach. He has to swing for the fences. He listens to Walls and Lloyd and he trusts SOS. That said - they'd want to bring in a successor. So they groom a 'Camporeale'...someone willing to come in, learn from Lyon and Roos and take over in 2023.

It's not necessarily what I'm advocating - but it's what I see happening. After all - this is Carlton.

buzzaaaah · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:31 am **Posts:** 17892

DocSherrin III wrote:

Stone Free wrote:

I don't think Roos wants to be to be top banana, but bringing him in as a coaching director with someone like Caracella under him as head coach would probably work wonders.

I can't quite let go of the obvious connections and how the likes of SOS and Walls would view this as some sort of rare sliding doors moment that must be enacted upon. Walls loves Ross Lyon and has done since he coached him at Fitzroy. It's common knowledge they are close and catch up/speak regularly. Ross was instrumental in getting David Walls the recruiting manager job at Freo.

Lyon would love to work with his close mate Paul Roos. Roos and Walls have a history and get along well. Lyon and SOS are very close. Lyon helped his mate out when Carlton left him out in the cold in 2006. Brad Lloyd and Lyon still get along.

This is the last roll of the dice (coaching wise) for MLG and the legacy he is so desperate to leave. He can't take the risk and appoint another untried coach. He has to swing for the fences. He listens to Walls and Lloyd and he trusts SOS. That said - they'd want to bring in a successor. So they groom a 'Camporeale'...someone willing to come in, learn from Lyon and Roos and take over in 2023.

It's not necessarily what I'm advocating - but it's what I see happening. After all - this is Carlton.

Are you saying Lyon AND Roos or Lyon OR Roos. I can't see how the two would work together

Dodo27 · **Posted:** Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:18 am

I think Many of us feel there is unfinished business with Ratts, especially the way he was sacked when his track record wasn't as bad as his successor.

We all cried out for Malthouse thinking he is going to be our savior, but he completely ruined us ( Daisy-Betts), so perhaps we should give Ratts another Chance!

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17214

buzzaaaah wrote:

Are you saying Lyon AND Roos or Lyon OR Roos. I can't see how the two would work together

Lyon as Head Coach - Roos as Coaching/Leaders Director. An assistant who was prepared to wait 3 years as heir apparent.

ferdinand · **Joined:** Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:32 pm **Posts:** 456

Pig’s arse we cried out for Malthouse. I’d say more people recognised that Ratten’s last year was wrecked by injuries and hedidnt deserve the chop but Kernahan and McKay had a hard on for an experienced coach and were stupid enough to go with Malthouse.

robertbb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:06 pm **Posts:** 9354

ferdinand wrote:

Pig’s arse we cried out for Malthouse. I’d say more people recognised that Ratten’s last year was wrecked by injuries and hedidnt deserve the chop but Kernahan and McKay had a hard on for an experienced coach and were stupid enough to go with Malthouse.

I wonder if history is repeating itself..........

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17214

Dodo27 wrote:

I think Many of us feel there is unfinished business with Ratts, especially the way he was sacked when his track record wasn't as bad as his successor.

I think provided he gets his choice of all of his assistants - Ratts at North Melbourne is more likely. I don't think a return to Carlton is a great career move. Risk is too great. For MLG as well who was part of the decision making process to get rid of Ratts and bring in Malthouse.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:36 am

DocSherrin III wrote:

Dodo27 wrote:

I think Many of us feel there is unfinished business with Ratts, especially the way he was sacked when his track record wasn't as bad as his successor.

I think provided he gets his choice of all of his assistants - Ratts at North Melbourne is more likely. I don't think a return to Carlton is a great career move. Risk is too great. For MLG as well who was part of the decision making process to get rid of Ratts and bring in Malthouse.

Can any of the older/wiser heads take us through the decision to sakc/reappoint Parkin.

I mean, the last time we re-signed a sakced coach we won a flag!

bondiblue · **Posted:** Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:51 am

DocSherrin III wrote:

You pull these classic photos out of your ***** at will.

Bloody brilliant. :lol:

Bunks · **Posted:** Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:55 am

koutahootarootafides wrote:

As long as it is not Lyon or Scott

What has Lyon achieved - zero

Style of play - shit

He got his team to 2 GF's......surely that is an achievement!!!!

bondiblue · **Posted:** Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:03 am

murraycray wrote:

Please, can we put the Roos suggestions in the wheelie bin. How many times has he said he's out of coaching period ? I for one would like a coach who actually wants the job. Not someone who has to be talked into it. Final word on Roos, pretty sure he spends about half the year in Hawaii. Why give that up ?

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17214

camelboy wrote:

Can any of the older/wiser heads take us through the decision to sakc/reappoint Parkin.
I mean, the last time we re-signed a sakced coach we won a flag!

David Parkin wrote:

As I walked out the door in 1985 he [Elliott] said: 'Don't worry, I'll be calling on you in a few years to coach here again.' He was as good as his word."

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