Brendon Bolton - Carlton coach 2015-2019

Trigger · **Joined:** Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:06 am **Posts:** 1826

Sydney Blue wrote:

He was gone at the Gold Coast game the club gave him every chance to turn this around but his coaching methods have stifled the players strengths and why they were recruited in the first place.
56 list changes - that means 112 players are Shiite. I find this hard to believe.

I am not expecting a dead coach bounce. He nearly destroyed Weitering, simply refused to select McKay until he was dragged kicking and screaming to the table. Who ever comes in has a monumental job just getting this young group playing to their strengths that brought them to the club in the first place

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YOU Have no idea. Click Bait is the only reason you are able to post,and probably the same for me!!

JK · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:19 pm **Posts:** 2187

Off the field the club is flying. Surprised why some Blues fans think board upheaval when things are so positive off the field is a sensible option. The focus is rightly on the field- coaching group and more senior B+ to A mids from other clubs

GWS · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:12 pm

Hornet wrote:

AGRO wrote:

The shortcomings are in List Management but the President is not going to point the finger at one of his best mates.

That decision on draft night had a lot to do with today's result... imo

I really don’t get the hand wringing over that decision.

Stocker looks like he’ll be a 200 game player already and we’ll probably have a pick around 10 to add to that versus one of Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Weitering or Walsh.

If that pick around 10 turns out to play 200 games we’ve made off like bandits.

If not we still have a very good player.

We need as much talent as we can find and turning one first rounder into two is well worth trying.

It’s not like all our pick 1s have been unmitigated successes.

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:13 pm

Trigger wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

He was gone at the Gold Coast game the club gave him every chance to turn this around but his coaching methods have stifled the players strengths and why they were recruited in the first place.
56 list changes - that means 112 players are Shiite. I find this hard to believe.

I am not expecting a dead coach bounce. He nearly destroyed Weitering, simply refused to select McKay until he was dragged kicking and screaming to the table. Who ever comes in has a monumental job just getting this young group playing to their strengths that brought them to the club in the first place

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YOU Have no idea. Click Bait is the only reason you are able to post,and probably the same for me!!

Were you not the one that said Bolton was the man.
I have been telling you for a very long time he wasn't.
But sure I have no idea

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JK · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:19 pm **Posts:** 2187

GWS wrote:

Hornet wrote:

AGRO wrote:

The shortcomings are in List Management but the President is not going to point the finger at one of his best mates.

That decision on draft night had a lot to do with today's result... imo

I really don’t get the hand wringing over that decision.

Stocker looks like he’ll be a 200 game player already and we’ll probably have a pick around 10 to add to that versus one of Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Weitering or Walsh.

If that pick around 10 turns out to play 200 games we’ve made off like bandits.

If not we still have a very good player.

We need as much talent as we can find and turning one first rounder into two is well worth trying.

It’s not like all our pick 1s have been unmitigated successes.

Agree entirely

Arnhem blues · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:17 pm

Liked Bolton and thought he was class (as evidenced by his exit )
Probably 2 goals more in 3 games and we would be saying we are about where we want to be and Bolts would be praised for his efforts.

Having said that I am fed up with losing and maybe those 2 extra goals just needed a coaching shift.

I have no confidence that changing the coach will do anything but hopeful that something will shift.

I wish the man good fortune!

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:17 pm

GWS wrote:

Hornet wrote:

AGRO wrote:

The shortcomings are in List Management but the President is not going to point the finger at one of his best mates.

That decision on draft night had a lot to do with today's result... imo

I really don’t get the hand wringing over that decision.

Stocker looks like he’ll be a 200 game player already and we’ll probably have a pick around 10 to add to that versus one of Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Weitering or Walsh.

If that pick around 10 turns out to play 200 games we’ve made off like bandits.

If not we still have a very good player.

We need as much talent as we can find and turning one first rounder into two is well worth trying.

It’s not like all our pick 1s have been unmitigated successes.

I have no issue with this trade it should have been 4 to 6 places different in the draft.
It was borderline a master stroke.
Not SOS fault we have stunk it up big time.

We have the Brownlow and Rising Star favorites along with a player who was getting touted to be the best player in the comp.
We should not be 1 and 10

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Hornet · **Joined:** Sat May 21, 2005 5:15 pm **Posts:** 7386

GWS wrote:

Hornet wrote:

AGRO wrote:

The shortcomings are in List Management but the President is not going to point the finger at one of his best mates.

That decision on draft night had a lot to do with today's result... imo

I really don’t get the hand wringing over that decision.

Stocker looks like he’ll be a 200 game player already and we’ll probably have a pick around 10 to add to that versus one of Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Weitering or Walsh.

If that pick around 10 turns out to play 200 games we’ve made off like bandits.

If not we still have a very good player.

We need as much talent as we can find and turning one first rounder into two is well worth trying.

It’s not like all our pick 1s have been unmitigated successes.

I agree but it's all about public perception... membership, sponsorship etc

The club thought we'd be higher up the ladder... that's why Liddle made the win/loss a critical focus point and why Bolton was sacked

ScottSaunders2 · **Joined:** Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:40 pm **Posts:** 897

GWS wrote:

Hornet wrote:

AGRO wrote:

The shortcomings are in List Management but the President is not going to point the finger at one of his best mates.

That decision on draft night had a lot to do with today's result... imo

I really don’t get the hand wringing over that decision.

Stocker looks like he’ll be a 200 game player already and we’ll probably have a pick around 10 to add to that versus one of Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Weitering or Walsh.

If that pick around 10 turns out to play 200 games we’ve made off like bandits.

If not we still have a very good player.

We need as much talent as we can find and turning one first rounder into two is well worth trying.

It’s not like all our pick 1s have been unmitigated successes.

agree immensely.

i would to that trade every year. stocker looks a gem, i would happily trade a first round pick, even if it was pick 1, for stocker and another player with plenty of potential.

the only talk of it being a mistake is from people that are blinded by the reality.

we have turned a first round pick into two first round picks and have secured a player that looks every part of a 200 game player with one of those picks. Its a massive win by the blues and SOS IMO.

Outside of Crippa, and as good as Walsh is, Stocker is fast becoming a favorite .. he is already showing more poise, and grunt than most on our list, and thats in his 6th game .. he is a gem!!

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23924

GWS wrote:

Hornet wrote:

AGRO wrote:

The shortcomings are in List Management but the President is not going to point the finger at one of his best mates.

That decision on draft night had a lot to do with today's result... imo

I really don’t get the hand wringing over that decision.

Stocker looks like he’ll be a 200 game player already and we’ll probably have a pick around 10 to add to that versus one of Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Weitering or Walsh.

If that pick around 10 turns out to play 200 games we’ve made off like bandits.

If not we still have a very good player.

We need as much talent as we can find and turning one first rounder into two is well worth trying.

It’s not like all our pick 1s have been unmitigated successes.

Yep
And it is pretty obvious we need morw mature players at this point to redress the balance.

CarltonClem · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:33 pm

The players were clearly playing on no confidence. I said it earlier in the thread, it just appeared that the coach had lost confidence and with it the players.

The physical ability I don’t think is the problem, we saw some good play against Hawks, Pies and Dogs.

Wondering if they’ve been over coached. The boundary game plan has not worked and it’s clear the players can’t play it, it’s too predictable and robs them of flair.

AIRCAV · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:41 pm

CarltonClem wrote:

The players were clearly playing on no confidence. I said it earlier in the thread, it just appeared that the coach had lost confidence and with it the players.

The physical ability I don’t think is the problem, we saw some good play against Hawks, Pies and Dogs.

Wondering if they’ve been over coached. The boundary game plan has not worked and it’s clear the players can’t play it, it’s too predictable and robs them of flair.

I tend to agree on the overcoached. They seemed scared to deviate from the "plan". The Marchbank kick out against St Kilda, the lack of any sort of understanding of the wet against Essendon*, not being smart enough to stem the flow against Hawthorn, the lack of flair and willingness to take the game on, the 18 men around the ball.

They just looked beaten.

99prelim · **Joined:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm **Posts:** 3561

Navy Blue Horse wrote:

MLG is so unimpressive

Liddle on the other hand is very impressive

Which makes MLG and his team impressive in talent identification

kezza · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm **Posts:** 15017

Watching 350 tonight and it was mentioned they thought Ross Lyon was one of the favourites.
Please no.
Also mentioned that the club should go after Roos.
Whoever it is it will be likely an experienced coach.

billc3 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:41 pm **Posts:** 4629

Donstuie wrote:

Over this shit.

I was prepared to give Bolton a pass based on last year's injuries, but this year there is no excuse, and this had to happen unfortunately.

We'll never know all of the machinations behind closed doors, but if this doesn't light a fire under the collective arse of our playing group I don't know what will.

Good luck Bolts, and sorry it couldn't work out. Hopefully you'll get to see this team you've nurtured rise to the top one day.

Blue Beatle wrote:

Trigger wrote:

Unfortunatley he had to go, now we get someone in that will call out the limp wristed players who threw him under the bus.

Spineless lot, who need a kick up the arse!! They need to take allot of the responsibility for the performances and the coaches sacking!!

And they can forget the crocodile tears, they were spineless!!

agree players have a lot to answer for; but was it the players who didn't stick to the game plan or the various coaches who couldn't devise a game plan - which brings me to Teague; as forward line coach is he responsible for a shit forward line set up - leaves a worry now that he's got the head job...

Agree here...
The set up and game day coaching has been abysmal.... Head coach? , line coaches? Players?... I'm not sure, but we're about to find out.
BB got the warning last week, so there were a few changes this week, but ability to see what was happening seemed poor

As for BB at the presser, he was excellent.... But agree with others, Liddle was even more impressive..

Go Blues

aboynamedsue · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm **Posts:** 6047

aboynamedsue wrote:

I think the tide of popular opinion has turned on Bolts and it’s more likely than not he will be gone by August.

I said before the season started that I feared he wouldn’t survive the winter and, unfortunately, I think I’m going to be right.

He’d be entitled to wonder how things might have worked out differently if we’d had more luck with injury and we’d picked up Shiel or another experienced mid. Winning a few of those close ones would have made a difference too.

As it is, it might be a Brendan McCartney at the Dogs situation; he’s done the hard yards but someone else needs to come in and lift us to another level.

I posted this a couple of weeks ago and it still sums up my assessment of the situation.

To an extent, I think Bolts was set up to fail in 2019; not deliberately so, but Bolts was always going to be in trouble if we didn’t start to see consistent improvement (translating into more wins) and he wasn’t given the resources required to make that immediate difference (eg. Shiel). The age profile of our group has actually gone backwards (younger). SOS has obviously made decisions for the long term future of the club, not decisions that would help Bolts keep his job. In principle, that seems entirely sound - but time will tell if we have the balance right.

Best of luck Bolts; you’re a class act. Enjoy some time with your family and hope to still see you around the club sometime.

grrofunger · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:53 pm

Richmond assistant coach?

https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1135485172504072193

MPH78 · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:55 pm

Been a very weird day for me personally. Tough day to have a birthday when you are pretty damn depressed with where we find ourselves again.

The presser was hard to watch. Really felt for Bolts. All class.

Ultimately I just desperately want us to be a legitimate power again. To achieve the sustained success we are building for.

I’d hoped that Bolts would be part of that but the last month or so it became increasingly evident that wouldn’t be the case.

He’s done some incredibly hard yards and you could argue that he didn’t stand much chance with our list profile, injuries etc.

I thank him wholeheartedly for all his efforts.

I now have no choice but to embrace the incumbent and we go again.

#BoundByBlue. For better or worse.

aboynamedsue · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm **Posts:** 6047

MPH78 wrote:

Been a very weird day for me personally. Tough day to have a birthday when you are pretty damn depressed with where we find ourselves again.

The presser was hard to watch. Really felt for Bolts. All class.

Ultimately I just desperately want us to be a legitimate power again. To achieve the sustained success we are building for.

I’d hoped that Bolts would be part of that but the last month or so it became increasingly evident that wouldn’t be the case.

He’s done some incredibly hard yards and you could argue that he didn’t stand much chance with our list profile, injuries etc.

I thank him wholeheartedly for all his efforts.

I now have no choice but to embrace the incumbent and we go again.

#BoundByBlue. For better or worse.

Well said, and happy birthday :beer:

camel · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:57 pm

Happy birthday! :beer:

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