gees didn't the recruiters get that one wrong?

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And by "recruiters" I dont just mean Shane O'Sullivan, I am talking about the recruiters from all the AFL Clubs had Livingstone rated very highly.

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and now Lance is not good enough to play CHF either....

Manton did shit himself.. go back and watch tapes of him in 95 (before the GF) which was a walk in the park.
Throw a 22 year old Manton in this team and he would be shittier than an unkept babys arse.

Corey beat Lance to a Best and Fairest when he was our CHF... so it doesnt say much about our beloved Lance then does it????
(If youre going to use those kind of arguments)

Isnt that why we went after Corey?
A big CHF?

Anyway Corey and Lance have just about done as much as Livo over the last 3 years.. except Livo has received much less...

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Nice try Synbad, but seriously, enough with the, you didn't watch enough games, or go back and watch the tapes. I went to every game in Melbourne that year, (apart from the St Kilda humping luckily enough). Comparing Livo and Manton is just not valid, the timing of manton's fist in many, many contests was nothing short of golden, especially as he got more confident in Navy Blue. Livo to me just doesn't show that same judgement not even close. Didn't Manton spend a fair bit of that year up forward ayway?

Not sure why we went after Corey, I'm really not sure, and the B&F was surely a sympathy vote from Dennis? Nice try though. Amusing.

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I dont think Livingston should be playing each week. Pagan should pick and choose the weeks that he plays Livo. Only play him on the big lumbering full forwards(Bradshaw,Gehrig,both Roccas,Q.Lynch,Richardson,Lade,Neitz). Those that prefer to sit in the fwd 50 and wrestle rather than lead up the ground. If you put him on a FF with a bit of pace he'll get carved up each time.

Manton was tried out in the back piocket and dropped....THAT YEAR!!!

Corey won the BnF THAT OTHER YEAR... and not Lance...


and... If you sit there and watch an eclipse for long enough it will burn out your eyes.

Nice try....

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Manton didn't really establish himself until 1996. Was very lucky to play in the 95 GF, Bond was stiff but I guess they wanted a back up tall.

Wouldnt call Bradshaw and Gehrig lumbering..if Livo plays he has to learn to play on every type of FF.....I think he prefers the wrestling type of player but on the FF's who have pace he needs some help from his teammates to close up some of the gaps they are leading into...players like Hall are impossible to stop if he gets the break on you...

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I wonder why Scott Spalding only got one game? It doesn't seem right.

A hack who would make the A grade in your team.



I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Synbad.......... I love you!

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Glenn Manton was 23 years old when he debuted for Carlton. And as others have stated, he didnt establish himself until 1996 when he was 24.
Livo is behind the 8 ball but lets not forget, he's just turned 23 a few weeks ago.

If we were willing to give a recycled 185cm Essendon* player an opportunity, lets give the same grace to a Carlton KPP.

Livo deserves every opportunity and support from the Carlton faithful. He gives everything to our club, he is a great ambassador off the field, represents the club well at club functions etc and leaves no stone unturned to make himself an AFL player.
He may not make it but the example he sets for the young players will benefit the club far more than the pissweak efforts of some of our players.

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blah, blah, blah..... I didn't read anything you said.

My question is this:

Why are you allowed to have an avatar so big?

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Lay down on the couch there mandy.

So, how long have you had this problem? Avatar envy is a complex psychological issue experienced by many forum users.

Livingston vs Manton?

Manton has way, way more runs on the board so far. You have to give him the respect he deserves.

Corey actually won the B& F when Brittain was coach.

It's good to hear Livo has got bigger - would love to see him become another Presti, Martyn type player given his lack of kicking prowess.

His marking skills across half forward were on display at the G one day (in 03 I think) against Essendon*. Took some ripping marks, but the kicking was simply embarrassing. I hope there is a way for him to make it.

Synbad, the other early 80's player you were searching for was not Aitken (87 premiership player) but Bortolotto.

Aitken had his jaw broken against Hawks mid 87 when he was flying in his debut year - made it back for the finals only to have his jaw broken again by Clarkson in Britain. I don't think he ever properly recovered. I think Murray Vance was in the same boat - I thought he was going to be ok until Clive Waterhouse broke his jaw at Waverley one night. That was pretty much it for Murray after that night.

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I think not, Terry Daniher will save him as himself being a country boy and possibly get into his ear to not give his potential away, i bet he will work him more then any player on our list to succeed, you can tell when he mentioned Davies as one of the future stars of Carlton in his press report a couple of weeks ago.

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If that's true, it takes him a f....n long time to get over the past.

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Well in that case...how come then you worship the ground some players walk on from their feats of 5 / 6 years ago???

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Remember, Davies trained strongly last pre-season also...I'm with those who think he, like Livo, need extended game time in a set position.

I reckon Bannister and possibly Sporn are the best chances of the upgrade from C.

Houlihan is not C-grade. He's just, Houlihan. The mighty Love/Hate player.



And Manton is a crap-driven husk of a man. He actually believes he is the independent 'bolt' flower that the media serves up. He was a waste of liniment who lucked and bullshitted his way through an apparent career as a footballer and now as some ice-racing dildo rider. He had no intention of good will for our club but his own ego basting agenda. I hope he got shit Christmas presents and global warming melts the next winter Olympics site.

I'm just saying, for livo if he doesn't deliver in 06, will you be hoping for a big 07? Livo is only 1 or 2 years younger than fevola and is always brought up as a project player.

Yes, i have seen glimpses but thats all i've seen in a 5 year career. No stand out games, just a few solid efforts.

To my understanding, Lance Whitnall does his best with what he has got, a shit body. He has turned things around in his application and output on the field since the start of 2005 (pre-season) and has changed his work ethic around for the better.

Unlike Scott Camporeale, he remained loyal when he was to get more money from MFC and by all reports is healthy and in fair shape and looking forward to 2006. Why is he the scapegoat? as you said about livo, you can only do your best out on the field and that's what lance did in 05.

Before 2005, I had very little respect for Lance, to the point where I was dying for Lance to piss off and get out of Carlton (I had had enough of his weight and performance issues). In 2005, I saw a glimpse of the past and I think Lance can improve on that and his 2006 could be a great one.

If he fails in 06, I no doubt will join you in the criticism of Whitnall as I have been frustrated countless times with his performance and weight.

He is on the back of a good season so I will support him.

Livo is on his last chance. I was looking forward to his development after a promising wizard cup. But like the whole side, he fell apart at the seams in the most humiliating of ways.

2006 will be interesting. Bring it on!

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