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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 9:10 pm 
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Bolton may or may not be the guy to take us to 17 and beyond, who really knows, but on paper at least, he's handled things well re the Clarkson stuff…

Bolton senses 'steely resolve' will see Blues atone for shocker
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-10/ ... or-shocker


Those comments give me the shits (apologies to kk). Everyone on this forum worred Carlton would take the wrong attitude into the Norf game and get flogged. They've got ample history with this kind of weak mentality, how about "owning" it, or - here's a crazy notion - preventing it BEFORE the @#$%&! game? Sick of this kind of retrospective rationalisation, process evolution, or whatever limp-dicked new-age label you want to put on it.

Steely resolve and training with our mums ... love it ... :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 7:51 pm 
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https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019 ... -postmatch

As an outsider looking in this gives me enormous confidence that we've got the right man in the job.

Considered, thoughtful and respectful, (and this from a guy who's coaching a team who's just had one win for the season and who have just had a close loss in a game where the umps murdered us).

No wonder the talented kids keep re-signing.


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GreatEx wrote:
camelboy wrote:
Bolton may or may not be the guy to take us to 17 and beyond, who really knows, but on paper at least, he's handled things well re the Clarkson stuff…

Bolton senses 'steely resolve' will see Blues atone for shocker
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-10/ ... or-shocker


Those comments give me the shits (apologies to kk). Everyone on this forum worred Carlton would take the wrong attitude into the Norf game and get flogged. They've got ample history with this kind of weak mentality, how about "owning" it, or - here's a crazy notion - preventing it BEFORE the @#$%&! game? Sick of this kind of retrospective rationalisation, process evolution, or whatever limp-dicked new-age label you want to put on it.
I see what you did there

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 12:11 am 
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BigKev wrote:
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019 ... -postmatch

As an outsider looking in this gives me enormous confidence that we've got the right man in the job.

Considered, thoughtful and respectful, (and this from a guy who's coaching a team who's just had one win for the season and who have just had a close loss in a game where the umps murdered us).

No wonder the talented kids keep re-signing.


I came here to comment on the presser.
To me it was possibly the most controlled piece of theatre I have seen from him.
The rage was palpable.
The pain was visible.
The resolve was steely as one other person has put it but he was as calm as the eye of a hurricane.

He slammed the umpires by praising the difficult job they do and refusing to say what he was probably thinking. It was Claytons spray at them.
He gave Collingwood credit at the end because they deserved it.
I can only imagine the face he showed t the boys behind closed doors.
Credit to him.

Now get them up next week. As soon as they win one of these close ones we are out the other side. In 1968, I think we won half a dozen by less than two goals and looked pretty iffy going in to the finals. If I recall, the final result in the GF was less than a goal. OK, Essendon* didn't kick straight but the cup is in the trophy cabinet to prove we toughed that year out.

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 12:28 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
BigKev wrote:
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019 ... -postmatch

As an outsider looking in this gives me enormous confidence that we've got the right man in the job.

Considered, thoughtful and respectful, (and this from a guy who's coaching a team who's just had one win for the season and who have just had a close loss in a game where the umps murdered us).

No wonder the talented kids keep re-signing.


I came here to comment on the presser.
To me it was possibly the most controlled piece of theatre I have seen from him.
The rage was palpable.
The pain was visible.
The resolve was steely as one other person has put it but he was as calm as the eye of a hurricane.

He slammed the umpires by praising the difficult job they do and refusing to say what he was probably thinking. It was Claytons spray at them.
He gave Collingwood credit at the end because they deserved it.
I can only imagine the face he showed t the boys behind closed doors.
Credit to him.

Now get them up next week. As soon as they win one of these close ones we are out the other side. In 1968, I think we won half a dozen by less than two goals and looked pretty iffy going in to the finals. If I recall, the final result in the GF was less than a goal. OK, Essendon** didn't kick straight but the cup is in the trophy cabinet to prove we toughed that year out.


We kicked inaccurate 7.14 to * 8.5


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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 11:46 am 
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BigKev wrote:
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019 ... -postmatch

As an outsider looking in this gives me enormous confidence that we've got the right man in the job.

Considered, thoughtful and respectful, (and this from a guy who's coaching a team who's just had one win for the season and who have just had a close loss in a game where the umps murdered us).

No wonder the talented kids keep re-signing.


Looking at the controlled rage in Bolton and our captain as visibly pissed off as the rest of us, it will be an interesting review.

Can really get the sense that coach and captain are sick of honourable losses and that only winning is an acceptable result contrary to what rubbish is posted by some on this site.


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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 11:48 am 
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When Bolts and the players told us "we feel your pain" after the first few weeks, I didn't believe them.

I believe them now.

I also believe that once they (hopefully soon) figure out how to put away 1-2 of these close games, we could see the gates open. But that's the tallest mountain they can climb right now.

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 2:06 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
BigKev wrote:
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019 ... -postmatch

As an outsider looking in this gives me enormous confidence that we've got the right man in the job.

Considered, thoughtful and respectful, (and this from a guy who's coaching a team who's just had one win for the season and who have just had a close loss in a game where the umps murdered us).

No wonder the talented kids keep re-signing.


I came here to comment on the presser.
To me it was possibly the most controlled piece of theatre I have seen from him.
The rage was palpable.
The pain was visible.
The resolve was steely as one other person has put it but he was as calm as the eye of a hurricane.

He slammed the umpires by praising the difficult job they do and refusing to say what he was probably thinking. It was Claytons spray at them.
He gave Collingwood credit at the end because they deserved it.
I can only imagine the face he showed t the boys behind closed doors.
Credit to him.

Now get them up next week. As soon as they win one of these close ones we are out the other side. In 1968, I think we won half a dozen by less than two goals and looked pretty iffy going in to the finals. If I recall, the final result in the GF was less than a goal. OK, Essendon*** didn't kick straight but the cup is in the trophy cabinet to prove we toughed that year out.


We kicked inaccurate 7.14 to * 8.5

Thanks

:oops: Dementia but my point stands.

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 7:52 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
BigKev wrote:
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019 ... -postmatch

As an outsider looking in this gives me enormous confidence that we've got the right man in the job.

Considered, thoughtful and respectful, (and this from a guy who's coaching a team who's just had one win for the season and who have just had a close loss in a game where the umps murdered us).

No wonder the talented kids keep re-signing.


I came here to comment on the presser.
To me it was possibly the most controlled piece of theatre I have seen from him.
The rage was palpable.
The pain was visible.
The resolve was steely as one other person has put it but he was as calm as the eye of a hurricane.

He slammed the umpires by praising the difficult job they do and refusing to say what he was probably thinking. It was Claytons spray at them.
He gave Collingwood credit at the end because they deserved it.
I can only imagine the face he showed t the boys behind closed doors.
Credit to him.

Now get them up next week. As soon as they win one of these close ones we are out the other side. In 1968, I think we won half a dozen by less than two goals and looked pretty iffy going in to the finals. If I recall, the final result in the GF was less than a goal. OK, Essendon** didn't kick straight but the cup is in the trophy cabinet to prove we toughed that year out.
Agree BS BUT he missed one important opportunity....
When the media raised the umpiring, (how often does that happen, that's how obvious it was), he should have said
'I analyse my players and the opposition performance , it your job to analyse other aspects of the game'

Go Blues

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 10:25 pm 
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billc3 wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
BigKev wrote:
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019 ... -postmatch

As an outsider looking in this gives me enormous confidence that we've got the right man in the job.

Considered, thoughtful and respectful, (and this from a guy who's coaching a team who's just had one win for the season and who have just had a close loss in a game where the umps murdered us).

No wonder the talented kids keep re-signing.


I came here to comment on the presser.
To me it was possibly the most controlled piece of theatre I have seen from him.
The rage was palpable.
The pain was visible.
The resolve was steely as one other person has put it but he was as calm as the eye of a hurricane.

He slammed the umpires by praising the difficult job they do and refusing to say what he was probably thinking. It was Claytons spray at them.
He gave Collingwood credit at the end because they deserved it.
I can only imagine the face he showed t the boys behind closed doors.
Credit to him.

Now get them up next week. As soon as they win one of these close ones we are out the other side. In 1968, I think we won half a dozen by less than two goals and looked pretty iffy going in to the finals. If I recall, the final result in the GF was less than a goal. OK, Essendon*** didn't kick straight but the cup is in the trophy cabinet to prove we toughed that year out.
Agree BS BUT he missed one important opportunity....
When the media raised the umpiring, (how often does that happen, that's how obvious it was), he should have said
'I analyse my players and the opposition performance , it your job to analyse other aspects of the game'

Go Blues

Yep. That would have been another way to do it for sure.
Or he could have said,
"I am getting a bit sick of my boys going there each week and watching the opposition team breaking rule after rule and getting away with it whilst being slaughtered themselves for similar transgressions. If you look at the frees for and against differential ladder, you will see we are near the bottom of that as well as the games tally and I can't help but think that some umpiring decisions have contributed to that just as being beaten in ground ball gets contributes to it. It's a stat whether we pretend it isn't or not. Today they had the equivalent of one man taking 19 marks more than us. If they are going to insist we as coaches aren't allowed to criticise umpires, they should at least insist that the umpires they put on the field are capable of umpiring at this level. For all the billions of dollars that pours through this industry, the AFL are still insisting they can't afford to pay umpires to be full time employees. Perhaps if they reviewed that stance we would be getting more Bannister-type former players umpiring and less people who are struggling to run out games and as a result make poor decisions in the dying seconds that cost teams close games. Of course I am not criticising the umpires as such, just saying their general standard is a reflection of the fact the AFL doesn't see fit to support them financially."

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 10:38 pm 
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Personally, I think he took the right line with the umpiring. The last thing we need is a pissed off umpiring department targeting us more, let the media dogs do the work for us. Someone needs to slip them the current free differential percentage ladder and watch them go for it.


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Personally, I think he took the right line with the umpiring. The last thing we need is a pissed off umpiring department targeting us more, let the media dogs do the work for us. Someone needs to slip them the current free differential percentage ladder and watch them go for it.



They already know the differential but we are Carlton, not Essendon* so it won’t happen.

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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 6:02 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
Personally, I think he took the right line with the umpiring. The last thing we need is a pissed off umpiring department targeting us more, let the media dogs do the work for us. Someone needs to slip them the current free differential percentage ladder and watch them go for it.


While the AFL has its greedy hands in the gambling industry that is never going to happen.

Look at our free kick differential in our close games (GC, Haw, Pies) and compare that to the games that against the other games where there was less pressure for the umps to intervene and you can see where I'm going with this.


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This is true. Well then it’s up to the boys to keep in the games until they can start over running sides and taking control away from the umps. And stick it up the AFL.


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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 9:45 am 
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The last thing we need is a pissed off umpiring department targeting us more.


What would that look like?


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You don't wanna know.

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Reckon Bolts has done better then okay the last two weeks, even against North he did a few things, maybe he feels the players are ready to adapt a bit more, as they now hopefully understand the gameplan and structures. Sometimes almost the elbow makes you a bit more adventurous.
Dale Amos is having a very decent season with the backs too. If he can make Glen Jakovic out of Casboult he should get a statue.

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Sidefx wrote:
Personally, I think he took the right line with the umpiring. The last thing we need is a pissed off umpiring department targeting us more, let the media dogs do the work for us. Someone needs to slip them the current free differential percentage ladder and watch them go for it.

Of course he did.

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Blue Sombrero wrote:
billc3 wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
BigKev wrote:
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019 ... -postmatch

As an outsider looking in this gives me enormous confidence that we've got the right man in the job.

Considered, thoughtful and respectful, (and this from a guy who's coaching a team who's just had one win for the season and who have just had a close loss in a game where the umps murdered us).

No wonder the talented kids keep re-signing.


I came here to comment on the presser.
To me it was possibly the most controlled piece of theatre I have seen from him.
The rage was palpable.
The pain was visible.
The resolve was steely as one other person has put it but he was as calm as the eye of a hurricane.

He slammed the umpires by praising the difficult job they do and refusing to say what he was probably thinking. It was Claytons spray at them.
He gave Collingwood credit at the end because they deserved it.
I can only imagine the face he showed t the boys behind closed doors.
Credit to him.

Now get them up next week. As soon as they win one of these close ones we are out the other side. In 1968, I think we won half a dozen by less than two goals and looked pretty iffy going in to the finals. If I recall, the final result in the GF was less than a goal. OK, Essendon**** didn't kick straight but the cup is in the trophy cabinet to prove we toughed that year out.
Agree BS BUT he missed one important opportunity....
When the media raised the umpiring, (how often does that happen, that's how obvious it was), he should have said
'I analyse my players and the opposition performance , it your job to analyse other aspects of the game'

Go Blues

Yep. That would have been another way to do it for sure.
Or he could have said,
"I am getting a bit sick of my boys going there each week and watching the opposition team breaking rule after rule and getting away with it whilst being slaughtered themselves for similar transgressions. If you look at the frees for and against differential ladder, you will see we are near the bottom of that as well as the games tally and I can't help but think that some umpiring decisions have contributed to that just as being beaten in ground ball gets contributes to it. It's a stat whether we pretend it isn't or not. Today they had the equivalent of one man taking 19 marks more than us. If they are going to insist we as coaches aren't allowed to criticise umpires, they should at least insist that the umpires they put on the field are capable of umpiring at this level. For all the billions of dollars that pours through this industry, the AFL are still insisting they can't afford to pay umpires to be full time employees. Perhaps if they reviewed that stance we would be getting more Bannister-type former players umpiring and less people who are struggling to run out games and as a result make poor decisions in the dying seconds that cost teams close games. Of course I am not criticising the umpires as such, just saying their general standard is a reflection of the fact the AFL doesn't see fit to support them financially."
Feels better at least.. :thumbsup:

I think, though, we need to let them know (albeit behind the scenes)

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