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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:27 pm 
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Mike Fitzpatrick

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famousblueraincoat wrote:
We got a couple of goals in front in the last, then we stopped attacking.. the old stop, hold it up and look sideways. I said that's it, we are done. Then the ball went down the Collingwood end and never really came out. end of ball game.


Bingo.
It amazes me how stupid our players still are.
As spectators we can see it. In fact we foresee it.
Playing keeping off with seven minutes to go. You do that when there's a couple minutes to go. Just unbearably dumb and the coach needs to take some responsibility for the lack of education. How's the Weitering play late in the game. About as dumb as it gets. Clueless.

In any event the coach didn't complain about the umps so I suggest all the whingers here stop using it as an out and accept the fact we lose games because we aren't good enough. Simple as that.


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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:29 pm 
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We were close today, we fought hard and can be proud of the youngsters they got trampled yet kept going.
Tweaking of personal over the next few weeks will be interesting.

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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:30 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
When you get that far in it's not about talent any more or structure or set ups, it's about who wants to win most, and it was us.

Nathan Buckley 11/5/19



We don't know how to win
We have been told it doesn't matter if we win
And we won't be judged on wins and losses


Buckley could see his players wanted to win more.

Winning needs to become the be all and end all.

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Agreed.
It's a pattern.
Hopefully it will change as they build A bit of experience
But in the meantime it's so bloody infuriating


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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:36 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
We have been told it doesn't matter if we win


You can say it one hundred times but it's still the same distorted bullshit that it was the first time.
Surely you can find something factual to complain about?

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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:47 pm 
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We have been told it doesn't matter if we win
I've heard this hundreds of times yet still no-one has been able to provide any actual evidence of these words being said.

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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:49 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
We have been told it doesn't matter if we win


You can say it one hundred times but it's still the same distorted bullshit that it was the first time.
Surely you can find something factual to complain about?
It is factual it has been repeated a 1000 times .And now a opposition coach has come out and said it.

They wanted to win more. Why

Because winning doesn't matter.

I admire your analysis of the game and appreciate all your input on here about statistics game and effort. But despite your extensive knowledge of the game you haven't a clue when it comes to the big picture.
Last year we were going to be better in 2nd half of season.
Before the start of this season you gave Bolton a pass mark of 8 wins.
2 weeks ago you said we will win 2 out of the next 3
Yesterday you stated we would beat Collingwood.

For all your in depth analysis, extensive knowledge of the game you really have not got a clue.

I will say it again winning doesn't matter at Carlton so guess what we don't win.

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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:49 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
McConville33 wrote:
The over rating of our myriad of our average players isn't for me.
Williamson, Macreadie, Plowman, O'Brien and Cuningham are average players though the last has pace but cannot kick sorry.


Cuningham can't kick? :lol:
I'm sure some posters are competing to see who can post the most ridiculous comments. David Cuningham would be in the top 3 technically correct kicks at the club.
Did you happen to see his set shot from the boundary today. Surely I've time travelled back to the first of April again. Or is this one of those hidden camera shows? :sly:


Williamson would also be one of the best kicks at the club, way of the mark McC.


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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:52 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
We have been told it doesn't matter if we win
I've heard this hundreds of times yet still no-one has been able to provide any actual evidence of these words being said.
"We will not be defined by wins and losses. "

I progress won't be judged by wins and losses


Means it doesn't matter if we win



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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:54 pm 
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Bluey44 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
When you get that far in it's not about talent any more or structure or set ups, it's about who wants to win most, and it was us.

Nathan Buckley 11/5/19



We don't know how to win
We have been told it doesn't matter if we win
And we won't be judged on wins and losses


Buckley could see his players wanted to win more.

Winning needs to become the be all and end all.

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk


Agreed.
It's a pattern.
Hopefully it will change as they build A bit of experience
But in the meantime it's so bloody infuriating


We HOPED to win.

woods WANTED to win.

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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:56 pm 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Bluey44 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
When you get that far in it's not about talent any more or structure or set ups, it's about who wants to win most, and it was us.

Nathan Buckley 11/5/19



We don't know how to win
We have been told it doesn't matter if we win
And we won't be judged on wins and losses


Buckley could see his players wanted to win more.

Winning needs to become the be all and end all.

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk


Agreed.
It's a pattern.
Hopefully it will change as they build A bit of experience
But in the meantime it's so bloody infuriating


We HOPED to win.

woods WANTED to win.
Correct

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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:15 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
We have been told it doesn't matter if we win
I've heard this hundreds of times yet still no-one has been able to provide any actual evidence of these words being sent.
"We will not be defined by wins and losses. "

I progress won't be judged by wins and losses


Means it doesn't matter if we win



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No it doesn’t.

Our players need to learn how to win, but that is very different to saying they don’t care if they lose.

But let me ask you this SB - what are the first 2 or 3 things you would do to instil a ‘winning culture’ if you were our coach?

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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:35 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
We have been told it doesn't matter if we win
I've heard this hundreds of times yet still no-one has been able to provide any actual evidence of these words being said.
"We will not be defined by wins and losses. "

I progress won't be judged by wins and losses


Means it doesn't matter if we win

=/= not mattering if we win, and never has, no matter how many times it gets trotted out to suit an agenda.

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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:42 pm 
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We just need to learn to win and not accept losses.
We have been in all except 1 game this year and don’t deserve to be 1-7.
When we learn to win, we will be one bloody good side. We have some serious talent!!!
I can’t wait for this team to start believing and for the hunger of success!!!
It’s going to be awesome for us fans.


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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 12:03 am 
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Blue Tongue wrote:
Another capitulation, smashed in a ten minute burst again, we are a very brittle club.

Supporters seem happy with good losses which are better than bad losses, that sums up this once proud club, we are now a spineless basket case.

When you are 3 points in front with four minutes to play you have to try and score. if the other team gets one, you have to get it back.
When you are a goal and a half down with three minutes to play, there is no point playing safe. Winning by a point means you have to play risky footy, which opens you up to a couple of easy ones at the wrong end.

I think brittle isn't a bad option as a word but the final score flattered Collingwood. You only had to look at Bucks screaming 'RED TIME' over and over again into the phone and see the relief in his presser to realise how well we played.

Brittle is what young players with no real core group of leaders around them can be. Stephenson isn't brittle because of the other forward mids and the Collingwood structure. Dow is because all the others are in the same boat.

I didn't like losing but to me that was a smashing effort by the boys. If they bring that effort to the table every week, they won't finish last by a long shot. GWS will already be taking next week a bit more seriously.

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 12:07 am 
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I don't care if we have a recent history of not knowing how to win.
I don't care if some thought they could see our loss coming a mile away (all geniuses in hindsight).
I don't care if bagging umpires is seen as letting the team off the hook, or it's poor form, or some other shite.
I don't care if we supposedly tried playing keepings off too soon, or made stupid, nervous brainfade mistakes at the end.

Yes, we did everything possible to throw away a perfectly winnable game a few weeks ago against GC.
That team didn't turn up today. We thoroughly deserved to win and were shafted. Our momentum was killed at the end today, as it had been all day, by atrocious one-sided umpiring. Get off your high horses and join the jeers - and I'll stand by this even if we don't turn up next week a la NM - the team in green absolutely cost us the game today. So easy for the more experienced side to clunk a few at the end when they know they can do no wrong. Unlike last week, the score didn't flatter us but the opposition. They got out of jail and the green brigade handed them the keys.

If only for that reason, the hatred is well and truly back. The Filth and their 'I was only wearing my master-entertainer hat' prez and their 'we wanted it more and no other reason' coach can GAGF.

There have been plenty of weeks for getting dirty on the players or the coach or both, but this one's not it.

No, I couldn't see us throwing this one away when we were ten points up. Our failure wasn't as predictable this time round because we were definitely up for it. It had to be taken from us, and it was, and not in a particularly just manner. Absolutely robbed.

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 12:10 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Blue Tongue wrote:
Another capitulation, smashed in a ten minute burst again, we are a very brittle club.

Supporters seem happy with good losses which are better than bad losses, that sums up this once proud club, we are now a spineless basket case.

When you are 3 points in front with four minutes to play you have to try and score. if the other team gets one, you have to get it back.
When you are a goal and a half down with three minutes to play, there is no point playing safe. Winning by a point means you have to play risky footy, which opens you up to a couple of easy ones at the wrong end.

I think brittle isn't a bad option as a word but the final score flattered Collingwood. You only had to look at Bucks screaming 'RED TIME' over and over again into the phone and see the relief in his presser to realise how well we played.

Brittle is what young players with no real core group of leaders around them can be. Stephenson isn't brittle because of the other forward mids and the Collingwood structure. Dow is because all the others are in the same boat.

I didn't like losing but to me that was a smashing effort by the boys. If they bring that effort to the table every week, they won't finish last by a long shot. GWS will already be taking next week a bit more seriously.



Yes.

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 12:21 am 
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Fenwick Snap wrote:
I don't care if we have a recent history of not knowing how to win.
I don't care if some thought they could see our loss coming a mile away (all geniuses in hindsight).
I don't care if bagging umpires is seen as letting the team off the hook, or it's poor form, or some other shite.
I don't care if we supposedly tried playing keepings off too soon, or made stupid, nervous brainfade mistakes at the end.

Yes, we did everything possible to throw away a perfectly winnable game a few weeks ago against GC.
That team didn't turn up today. We thoroughly deserved to win and were shafted. Our momentum was killed at the end today, as it had been all day, by atrocious one-sided umpiring. Get off your high horses and join the jeers - and I'll stand by this even if we don't turn up next week a la NM - the team in green absolutely cost us the game today. So easy for the more experienced side to clunk a few at the end when they know they can do no wrong. Unlike last week, the score didn't flatter us but the opposition. They got out of jail and the green brigade handed them the keys.

If only for that reason, the hatred is well and truly back. The Filth and their 'I was only wearing my master-entertainer hat' prez and their 'we wanted it more and no other reason' coach can GAGF.

There have been plenty of weeks for getting dirty on the players or the coach or both, but this one's not it.

No, I couldn't see us throwing this one away when we were ten points up. Our failure wasn't as predictable this time round because we were definitely up for it. It had to be taken from us, and it was, and not in a particularly just manner. Absolutely robbed.

Yours,
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 12:52 am 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
Fenwick Snap wrote:
I don't care if we have a recent history of not knowing how to win.
I don't care if some thought they could see our loss coming a mile away (all geniuses in hindsight).
I don't care if bagging umpires is seen as letting the team off the hook, or it's poor form, or some other shite.
I don't care if we supposedly tried playing keepings off too soon, or made stupid, nervous brainfade mistakes at the end.

Yes, we did everything possible to throw away a perfectly winnable game a few weeks ago against GC.
That team didn't turn up today. We thoroughly deserved to win and were shafted. Our momentum was killed at the end today, as it had been all day, by atrocious one-sided umpiring. Get off your high horses and join the jeers - and I'll stand by this even if we don't turn up next week a la NM - the team in green absolutely cost us the game today. So easy for the more experienced side to clunk a few at the end when they know they can do no wrong. Unlike last week, the score didn't flatter us but the opposition. They got out of jail and the green brigade handed them the keys.

If only for that reason, the hatred is well and truly back. The Filth and their 'I was only wearing my master-entertainer hat' prez and their 'we wanted it more and no other reason' coach can GAGF.

There have been plenty of weeks for getting dirty on the players or the coach or both, but this one's not it.

No, I couldn't see us throwing this one away when we were ten points up. Our failure wasn't as predictable this time round because we were definitely up for it. It had to be taken from us, and it was, and not in a particularly just manner. Absolutely robbed.

Yours,
Disgusted


Fenwick love your passion. Amen.

Did you live in Fenwick Street?


Nope, would've loved to. Still would, even though we don't play PP anymore, but it's a bit out of my budget.

(It's a vague homage to a particular GF hero. Blueseum will get you there. :thumbsup: )

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 8:04 am 
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yesterday's effort, while pleasing, makes last week's more galling

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 8:35 am 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
We have been told it doesn't matter if we win
I've heard this hundreds of times yet still no-one has been able to provide any actual evidence of these words being sent.
"We will not be defined by wins and losses. "

I progress won't be judged by wins and losses


Means it doesn't matter if we win



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No it doesn’t.

Our players need to learn how to win, but that is very different to saying they don’t care if they lose.

But let me ask you this SB - what are the first 2 or 3 things you would do to instil a ‘winning culture’ if you were our coach?


Don’t waste your time abounamedsue. SB is just a troll who only knows how to spew negativity with aggression and in such volume he thinks his distorted view will be taken as factual. He will never put forward constructive thoughts or come close to answering a question if it doesn’t support the negative agenda.

BV deserves a knighthood for trying to reason with such a lost cause.


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