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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 7:56 pm 
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I'm not happy about the result but I am more perplexed how some think this was a winnable game. Yes, they were below us on the ladder, but they have flogged us the last 4 odd years. Plus they have a team full of tall big bodied players and we brought a team of kids, lack of experienced leaders and with 2 unconditioned players to a physical game. It never was going to be a win, but I hoped it wouldn't be the flogging it was.


This!

We won 2 games last year. Two. We have the most under 22s of any side in the comp, then we lose about 600 games experience in one whack. We replace them with our 2nd string ruckman, 2 guys not ready to play AFL (for different reasons) and a talented but sadly out of form forward. And people are saying it was a “winnable game”? Against a side who beat us by 15 goals last time we played them? And who we’ve beaten twice in 10 years? Riiiiiight.

And this is not making excuses or letting anyone off the hook. It’s where we are at. I am not happy about it, I hate losing, but it shits me a bit how some posters go overboard after a good performance and even more overboard after a bad performance. It’s never as good as it seems, it’s never as bad as it seems.

And while I’m at it - “winnable game”.....what the @#$%&! does that even mean? Aren’t they all supposed to be winnable?

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:10 pm 
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I'm not happy about the result but I am more perplexed how some think this was a winnable game. Yes, they were below us on the ladder, but they have flogged us the last 4 odd years. Plus they have a team full of tall big bodied players and we brought a team of kids, lack of experienced leaders and with 2 unconditioned players to a physical game. It never was going to be a win, but I hoped it wouldn't be the flogging it was.


This!

We won 2 games last year. Two. We have the most under 22s of any side in the comp, then we lose about 600 games experience in one whack. We replace them with our 2nd string ruckman, 2 guys not ready to play AFL (for different reasons) and a talented but sadly out of form forward. And people are saying it was a “winnable game”? Against a side who beat us by 15 goals last time we played them? And who we’ve beaten twice in 10 years? Riiiiiight.

And this is not making excuses or letting anyone off the hook. It’s where we are at. I am not happy about it, I hate losing, but it shits me a bit how some posters go overboard after a good performance and even more overboard after a bad performance. It’s never as good as it seems, it’s never as bad as it seems.

And while I’m at it - “winnable game”.....what the @#$%&! does that even mean? Aren’t they all supposed to be winnable?
And next week the excuses will be.

This is where we are at.
Inventing reasons as to why we didn't win.

Last week it was the girl umpire

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:13 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I'm not happy about the result but I am more perplexed how some think this was a winnable game. Yes, they were below us on the ladder, but they have flogged us the last 4 odd years. Plus they have a team full of tall big bodied players and we brought a team of kids, lack of experienced leaders and with 2 unconditioned players to a physical game. It never was going to be a win, but I hoped it wouldn't be the flogging it was.


This!

We won 2 games last year. Two. We have the most under 22s of any side in the comp, then we lose about 600 games experience in one whack. We replace them with our 2nd string ruckman, 2 guys not ready to play AFL (for different reasons) and a talented but sadly out of form forward. And people are saying it was a “winnable game”? Against a side who beat us by 15 goals last time we played them? And who we’ve beaten twice in 10 years? Riiiiiight.

And this is not making excuses or letting anyone off the hook. It’s where we are at. I am not happy about it, I hate losing, but it shits me a bit how some posters go overboard after a good performance and even more overboard after a bad performance. It’s never as good as it seems, it’s never as bad as it seems.

And while I’m at it - “winnable game”.....what the @#$%&! does that even mean? Aren’t they all supposed to be winnable?


ABS, I did not expect to win today because of the reasons you mentioned above however what I did expect was a better effort and some resemblance of an AFL Team. We struggled to do the basics.

Don't stress over the meaning of a "winnable game" there's plenty more to worry about at the CFC at the moment, we play the Magpies in 6 days.


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:14 pm 
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Why do Norf always flog us?

Why was Plowman having a laugh while Jones was KO'd?

That's all I got.


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:16 pm 
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I wouldn't mind if we lost a further 360 odd games of experience next week. Murphy: rested (can't just drop him seemingly) and Casboult.


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:17 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Weitering post-game

"Not prepared mentally"


This is inexcusable. The coaches role to a large extent. 4 wins from our last 38 and 1 from 5 and they weren't ready to play ?

Maybe they thought that they were really 8th on the quarters won ladder, not 16th on the real ladder, the one that matters, the only effing one that matters. Bolts and crew need to stop treating them like primary school kids. Winning is how we need to be measured now.....nothing less.


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:23 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
Why do Norf always flog us?

Why was Plowman having a laugh while Jones was KO'd?

That's all I got.


Good qs

Q1. Because everytime we play North, we lose 500 games of experience the preceding week...coincidental trend

Q2. Dunno...not a good look...did Johnno laugh in 82 when the streaker came out? Doully was just embarrased and smiled as a result. Maybe Plowman is really shy and his smile was a coping strategy for how embarrased he was with his own input...NOT!!

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:25 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
2nd to the ball all day.Get in front,rule number one...................i think the powers that be at Carlton should ban the white board and any team meetings.Under no circumstances let 'em near the classroom.The boys aint learning' anything in there.Get out of the classroom and into the field...........i am serious folks,don't let 'em anywhere near the classroom.The word i am getting is that the players are sick to death of Bolton droning on and on and on etc.etc...........too much yap.


Not doubting you Mick, but if this is true we have a major issue.

It's sad when you start admiring the way other clubs play, their style, development, recruitment etc.


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:27 pm 
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Is it true we fielded 14 thats right 14 players with 50 games or less experience?

Did we not lose our best ruck who commands the presence which automatically makes the team much more confident?

Did we not lose simmo who despite his significant experience loss is also a massive loss to other less experience in our backline as well his importance to our team as a whole?

Did we not lose Newman who has been a more than solid experienced addition to our backline (including simmo) that prior to today had not conceded 100 points or more to teams played this season?

To compound all of that, did we not lose Liam Jones for a more than decent period of the game, who has been excellent all season..

Further did we not debut a player in stocker who from even the most optimistic of us was nowhere near ready for senior footy. At the least his limited exposure at VFL level, showed little if any exposed form to substantiate such an early promotion?

Of course none of the above could be considered rationale as an explanation (some will no doubt call it an 'excuse'). However, It is fact end of story.

I'm again devastated by the loss etc, however I'm also not blinkered as some to realise the above points (and many others) had a considerable impact on the result.

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:27 pm 
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Can I please have an explanation why the media and supporters are using 38 games as a number of measure??


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:32 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I'm not happy about the result but I am more perplexed how some think this was a winnable game. Yes, they were below us on the ladder, but they have flogged us the last 4 odd years. Plus they have a team full of tall big bodied players and we brought a team of kids, lack of experienced leaders and with 2 unconditioned players to a physical game. It never was going to be a win, but I hoped it wouldn't be the flogging it was.


This!

We won 2 games last year. Two. We have the most under 22s of any side in the comp, then we lose about 600 games experience in one whack. We replace them with our 2nd string ruckman, 2 guys not ready to play AFL (for different reasons) and a talented but sadly out of form forward. And people are saying it was a “winnable game”? Against a side who beat us by 15 goals last time we played them? And who we’ve beaten twice in 10 years? Riiiiiight.

And this is not making excuses or letting anyone off the hook. It’s where we are at. I am not happy about it, I hate losing, but it shits me a bit how some posters go overboard after a good performance and even more overboard after a bad performance. It’s never as good as it seems, it’s never as bad as it seems.

And while I’m at it - “winnable game”.....what the @#$%&! does that even mean? Aren’t they all supposed to be winnable?
I'm not interested in last year, that is one low bar. How could we not do better. Today was actually no better.

We are 4th year in. When we play sides like the Swans, now on the bottom, GC, Dogs, Hawks and North I expect wins. That's 5 games that could've and should've been won given the players we now have. We won one! We expect to win games now, that's a demand, not have honorable losses. What do we have? 4 wins from 39 and 1-6. What does that mean? Means we are horribly underachieving. We should be on the next step of rebuilding and looking at top 10. Look at who we play the next 5 weeks. By only winning one of the last 5 games we could well look at being 1-10, 2-9. That would be a disgrace 4th year in. If people think that is ok they are as mentally soft and accepting of shit as our players were today.


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:35 pm 
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Good to see Plowman thinks it's all a joke.


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:40 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Weitering post-game

"Not prepared mentally"


coaches fault


Bolton highlighted mental lapses in quarters during the week. They played it at half time on TV.

Disgrace the players didn’t turn up when it was such a focus.


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:42 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Good to see Plowman thinks it's all a joke.


Not a good look, strange.


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:46 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I'm not happy about the result but I am more perplexed how some think this was a winnable game. Yes, they were below us on the ladder, but they have flogged us the last 4 odd years. Plus they have a team full of tall big bodied players and we brought a team of kids, lack of experienced leaders and with 2 unconditioned players to a physical game. It never was going to be a win, but I hoped it wouldn't be the flogging it was.


This!

We won 2 games last year. Two. We have the most under 22s of any side in the comp, then we lose about 600 games experience in one whack. We replace them with our 2nd string ruckman, 2 guys not ready to play AFL (for different reasons) and a talented but sadly out of form forward. And people are saying it was a “winnable game”? Against a side who beat us by 15 goals last time we played them? And who we’ve beaten twice in 10 years? Riiiiiight.

And this is not making excuses or letting anyone off the hook. It’s where we are at. I am not happy about it, I hate losing, but it shits me a bit how some posters go overboard after a good performance and even more overboard after a bad performance. It’s never as good as it seems, it’s never as bad as it seems.

And while I’m at it - “winnable game”.....what the @#$%&! does that even mean? Aren’t they all supposed to be winnable?


i agree on the youth, but where was the heart?

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:50 pm 
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jim wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I'm not happy about the result but I am more perplexed how some think this was a winnable game. Yes, they were below us on the ladder, but they have flogged us the last 4 odd years. Plus they have a team full of tall big bodied players and we brought a team of kids, lack of experienced leaders and with 2 unconditioned players to a physical game. It never was going to be a win, but I hoped it wouldn't be the flogging it was.


This!

We won 2 games last year. Two. We have the most under 22s of any side in the comp, then we lose about 600 games experience in one whack. We replace them with our 2nd string ruckman, 2 guys not ready to play AFL (for different reasons) and a talented but sadly out of form forward. And people are saying it was a “winnable game”? Against a side who beat us by 15 goals last time we played them? And who we’ve beaten twice in 10 years? Riiiiiight.

And this is not making excuses or letting anyone off the hook. It’s where we are at. I am not happy about it, I hate losing, but it shits me a bit how some posters go overboard after a good performance and even more overboard after a bad performance. It’s never as good as it seems, it’s never as bad as it seems.

And while I’m at it - “winnable game”.....what the @#$%&! does that even mean? Aren’t they all supposed to be winnable?
I'm not interested in last year, that is one low bar. How could we not do better. Today was actually no better.

We are 4th year in. When we play sides like the Swans, now on the bottom, GC, Dogs, Hawks and North I expect wins. That's 5 games that could've and should've been won given the players we now have. We won one! We expect to win games now, that's a demand, not have honorable losses. What do we have? 4 wins from 39 and 1-6. What does that mean? Means we are horribly underachieving. We should be on the next step of rebuilding and looking at top 10. Look at who we play the next 5 weeks. By only winning one of the last 5 games we could well look at being 1-10, 2-9. That would be a disgrace 4th year in. If people think that is ok they are as mentally soft and accepting of shit as our players were today.


This “4th year in” thing bugs me a bit too. It implies the same players have been playing the same system for 4 years. The team of 2019 is almost totally different to the teams we fielded in 2015.

We had a bad loss today and nobody is saying it’s OK. But the reality is we fielded a team which had 14 players with less than 50 games experience. Don’t expect consistency with that profile.

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:55 pm 
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On a positive note our 2nds gave theirs a touch up today......it at least says our depth is better than theirs.


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Sydney Blue wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I'm not happy about the result but I am more perplexed how some think this was a winnable game. Yes, they were below us on the ladder, but they have flogged us the last 4 odd years. Plus they have a team full of tall big bodied players and we brought a team of kids, lack of experienced leaders and with 2 unconditioned players to a physical game. It never was going to be a win, but I hoped it wouldn't be the flogging it was.


This!

We won 2 games last year. Two. We have the most under 22s of any side in the comp, then we lose about 600 games experience in one whack. We replace them with our 2nd string ruckman, 2 guys not ready to play AFL (for different reasons) and a talented but sadly out of form forward. And people are saying it was a “winnable game”? Against a side who beat us by 15 goals last time we played them? And who we’ve beaten twice in 10 years? Riiiiiight.

And this is not making excuses or letting anyone off the hook. It’s where we are at. I am not happy about it, I hate losing, but it shits me a bit how some posters go overboard after a good performance and even more overboard after a bad performance. It’s never as good as it seems, it’s never as bad as it seems.

And while I’m at it - “winnable game”.....what the @#$%&! does that even mean? Aren’t they all supposed to be winnable?
And next week the excuses will be.

This is where we are at.
Inventing reasons as to why we didn't win.

Last week it was the girl umpire

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Who’s making excuses? I’m giving reasons. The situation sucks but the reality is we are simply not ready to back up the effort contest after contest, quarter after quarter, game after game - particularly when injuries to experience players start adding up. I’m not accepting that with any kind of complacency at all. I’m also not going to ignore the good indicators we’ve seen so far this season.

Girl umpire? Eh? :confused:

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