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Rod Waddell

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:29 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:49 am
Posts: 1650

Pro:
42,500 there today of which 90% were CFC fans l estimated.

Con:
Continue in this fashion and we will not see this again for a while

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WOW

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:32 pm

Rod Ashman

Joined: Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:17 pm
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frank dardew wrote:

I really think this was a winnable game so no excuses about injuries etc

Apathetic collective effort meant a pathetic result

We keep giving them too much of an out

Was almost the most uncompetitive performance in the last years and that is saying something given the opposition

It was embarrassing no excuses no leave passes

There are no winnable games

Let's stop kidding ourselves

We are the worst team in the league

And our draw gets more difficult

More pain to come

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frank dardew

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:34 pm

Craig Bradley

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:38 pm
Posts: 7640

Agree Adam was like that Freo game but also like the game against the Saints last year where 4 changers out of our backline resulted in 4 goals to the Saints as we gave it back to them for goals -we dropped our heads and game gone

Just goes to show we never turn up for winnable games and for a side that has won 4 games out of the last 38 it is diabolical for our supporters

We go every week but could not get one of my daughters to go this week because of the inevitability of it and even worse she was right

How the hell don't we turn up for this type of game after that sort of record and after being every teams punching bag for 10 years

Was pleased she didn't waste her Sunday and who could blame her

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Crippa

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:44 pm

Bob Chitty

Joined: Sun May 31, 2015 8:24 pm
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WOW wrote:

frank dardew wrote:

There are no winnable games

Let's stop kidding ourselves

We are the worst team in the league

And our draw gets more difficult

More pain to come

Annoyingly we only play like that against crap opposition we should beat.

We play our best footy against top 8 teams and lose those by 2-3 goals.

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fmurphy30

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:44 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:02 pm
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Plowman cops a barrelling on here but there are some things that are missed. He works hard off the ball for others, he shepherds, does the one-percenters and keeps presenting. Yes, he torches the ball sometimes but his effort is there.

Weiters was pretty good. Fisher worked hard. Cripps turned up after quarter time and Walsh is incredibly consistent. Silvagni makes effort and Cuningham was ok in the second half. Charlie will be better for the run.

O'Brien needs to go to the Magoos. Levi should never be seen again. Tries hard (did some good things) but his kicking is the great deflator.

We were smashed in the middle and I'm not sure who offers more, Phillips or Lobbe. Neither are Krooz.

Stocker acquitted himself pretty well, though I wonder why we drafted a midfielder and try to turn him into a defender?

Why no Kennedy or Setters? Maybe Goddard gets a chance next week. No point having him if we don't find out.

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jim

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:48 pm

Wayne Johnston

Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm
Posts: 8201

Adam Chatfield wrote:

Today was awful, but I saw it coming, a fact I don't exactly take pleasure in.

It's happened time and time again under Bolts reign that we feel all warm and fussy after a decent week or two, which doesn't even necessarily even result in a win then we play like we did today which reminded me of the Freo first half last year.

Without the 4 outs we had, we had reached a tipping point. We simply had too many young guys in and not enough experience out there. Without Kreuzer I think we have to play Kennedy, as weird as that sounds, as he provides another bigger body in the midfield, or even Setterfield. Today it was Cripps and a bunch of little guys getting beaten up.

Casboult was awful, but hes been producing games like that throughout his career, so shouldn't come as a big surprise.

We actually started off with a bit of energy, but the early turnovers killed our confidence and run, and it just snowballed from there.

Not sure Levi was awful. He got a bit of it, took marks, just kicked like his old self. 3.0 instead of 0.3 would've been alot better.

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Rod Waddell

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:49 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:49 am
Posts: 1650

Part II

Pros:
Walsh kept going
Daisy looked like he gave a f$$$
Fisher tried

Cons:
Murph the CFC super fund will eventually end
Dow LOB SPS bloody quiet. Not every game will be better played on their terms. They need to find a way
Ed had to play on a Cunnington or Ziebell as l suggested in the match preview thread....did not happen
Levi not AFL standard nor is Plowman
It is an embarrassment that we are relying on a 6 gamer to be in our best 3 each week
Match committee for selecting not one but two of stocker/Willo as both selections were a stretch

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Donstuie

Post subject: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:49 pm

Bruce Doull

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https://twitter.com/CarltonFC/status/11 ... 4329388032

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The_Cranium

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:49 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:51 am
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Well that was a shit show of epic proportions. I was concerned going on with the injuries but hopeful of a decent effort. Sadly effort was clearly lacking and when you have your 'leaders' like Murphy phoning it in, this is the sort of shit that happens. I know its unfair to single out one or two and there are those on here that can't see it, but if Plowman and Casboult were to never play an AFL game for Carlton ever again, I certainly wouldn't bat an eyelid. They are not AFL standard. They just aren't.

As someone else pointed out we continually turn up our toes against opposition we should be a chance against. It's like the only time we can play freely is when there's nothing to lose. It's funny... I actually expect a decent showing next week against the pies for exactly this reason. Nothing to lose. No expectation. Mentally weak side.

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Crippa

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:56 pm

Bob Chitty

Joined: Sun May 31, 2015 8:24 pm
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fmurphy30 wrote:

Kennedy - 18 possies , zero tackles, 2 inside 50’s in a winning side isn’t exactly banging down the door.

Setters - 22 possies, 6 tackles, 4 inside 50’s is better.

But happy to give both a shot over what we saw in the 1st today.

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CK95

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:56 pm

Bruce Doull

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:06 pm
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I wonder if they subconsciously decided they'd lost the game when there were 4 injuries

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ScottSaunders2

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:57 pm

Bob Chitty

Joined: Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:40 pm
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there was little to enjoy about that game.

I thought Silvagni, could hold his head high, didnt give up, i thought of a few the lads didnt give up and kept trying (Walsh, fisher, weitering etc..)

The rest where abit meh ...

Its getting hard to defend it to be honest, and im not one to demand the coach be sacked after a loss like that, but after the first half i was hoping for a lot better effort in the 2nd half .. didnt happen, and that is a big blight on Bolton IMO.

I have faith with the players we have, litterally was men against boys, you could see that with the way our tackles didnt stick, and theirs did, but was a tough game to watch.

hope jones is okay. He will miss a couple of weeks after a knock like that. i wish him all the best in his recovery.

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ScottSaunders2

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:58 pm

Bob Chitty

Joined: Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:40 pm
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CK95 wrote:

I wonder if they subconsciously decided they'd lost the game when there were 4 injuries

Yep, it was all in the ears ... they didnt fire a shot in the first half ... they had already defeated themselves and made excuses.

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Donstuie

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 6:04 pm

Bruce Doull

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Weitering post-game

"Not prepared mentally"

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Sidefx

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 6:09 pm

Craig Bradley

Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm
Posts: 6474

Donstuie wrote:

Sidefx wrote:

camelboy wrote:

No Kreuzer, no Carlton.

True, but still a @#$%&! indictment.

The failure to properly prepare long and short-term succession for a perennially-injured player is the biggest failing of the list management and coaching groups.

How we can continue to be unprepared every time Kreuzer is injured is @#$%&! baffling and infuriating. Do they expect he'll just start magically playing every week unhindered??

I agree, we should've been targeting an up and coming ruck in the last couple of trade periods, but then again we've had so many areas that needed work I guess they just thought we had the right cattle for that position. :banghead:

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grrofunger

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 6:12 pm

Bruce Doull

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:04 pm
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Donstuie wrote:

Weitering post-game

"Not prepared mentally"

coaches fault

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grrofunger

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 6:13 pm

Bruce Doull

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Donstuie wrote:

https://twitter.com/CarltonFC/status/11 ... 4329388032

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

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Stefchook

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 6:14 pm

Wayne Johnston

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:36 am
Posts: 8156

After last week at the VFL, I thought I doubt I'll be back anytime soon. After yet another uncompetitive effort in one of the few winnable games we have at senior level, I'm thinking of not bothering to watch us live for a while. Far less frustrating, when you simply expect to lose and watch the game, already knowing the result. Pretty disappointing it's come to this again. With the competition free agency rules, I start to wonder whether this rebuild will ever end. (Not that we had much choice about doing the rebuild.)

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muzza

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 6:18 pm

Rod Ashman

Joined: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:41 pm
Posts: 2385

Donstuie wrote:

Weitering post-game

"Not prepared mentally"

Surely if we "learn and grow" from every thumping we have , we must be the smartest giants going around (and not GWS Giants)

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Sidefx

Post subject: Re: R7: Carlton v North Melbourne (Post Match Discussion)

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 6:20 pm

Craig Bradley

Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm
Posts: 6474

Donstuie wrote:

https://twitter.com/CarltonFC/status/11 ... 4329388032

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