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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:05 pm 
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Wayne Johnston

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bender wrote:
BlueDW wrote:
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Thoroughly enjoyed that battle. Close, but no cigar. Mistakes made, but this side is nowhere near settled yet. Lots to like and can clearly see the formation of premiership team in the making. Just got to stick fat and persevere until success is reached.


I'll have whatever your having


We were getting flogged by 10 goals not too long ago - remember those days? Yes losing by 2 points hits hard, but perspective matters. We are improving. Our loses are close, frustrating for sure, but not 10 goal beatings. That's improvement. We'll start winning these close games eventually. Summed up we've been a bit unlucky to be four/zip and our future looks promising at long last.



Losing to gc by 2pts is pretty much equivalent to a 10 goal loss to decent sides. There’s just no excuse for it.


yup. only carlton could lose to a team that was expected to not win a game for the year. good thing we swapped our first round pick.

i have supported this club since the days of the fold out memberships, and i bought my daughter a membership before she got a birth certificate, but i can no longer support this club. there is no direction, no belief, no skills present, no heart

ratts was never going to lead us to a premiership, but since he was sacked, the club has been running in quicksand, this is not the club I grew up supporting, the whole lot can go and....


If Ratts has SOS as his List Manager rather than that dud Wayne Hughes we never know what might've happened.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:11 pm 
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@#$%&! off Bolton!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:12 pm 
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Bolton lost me today, I believe he needs to go

Feel sorry for Cripps. He is going to cop a beEating from all teams

Jones has proved me wrong great game

Well done also to Weiters, Walsh and Cripps

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:16 pm 
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Bolton has to go. Whether it’s his fault or not there has to be a change and unfortunately for him sacking the coach is the most obvious outcome.

The club need a circuit breaker

He has to stay the year at least.
He was given a three year rebuild. He's two years and four weeks in. If we sack him, he has every right to say he wasn't allowed his full three years.
This was a shit loss and the game plan is crap. If Wallsy and the other coaches can't get him to play modern footy then at the end of the year, if we haven't improved on-field, he goes.
Tonight we kicked 59 points. I'm as pissed off as anybody with the result but can we really expect to win games of footy kicking 59 points? Ross Lyon proved a decade ago that defence is all very well but it won't ever win you a GF. We have to be able to kick 90 points a week, win or lose. The only way to do that is to play a game with players in front of the footy. Either BB is stubborn or he doesn't watch the the teams in the comp playing.
The best teams in the comp atm all play a run and stun game on the back of being able to possess the footy. We don't do either and anybody who does try and break the lines has nobody to kick to because they're all behind him.
Harry has to stay at home. That way it keeps the defence honest and gives us someone other than Gibbons to kick long to.
I can't believe I am stiil up at almost 3:00 watching this rubbish week after week.


3am, you're a better man than I.

Do you really think we can afford to wait another 18 games? What if nothing changes, or it gets worse?

He needs to go. Everything you say about our game style says he needs to go.

Who at the club has had success? Who are they learning from? When it gets tough, who do they look to and say what we do? There's no-one one the field nor the coach that can answer.

Who takes his place? Not Wallsy.
BB could start by making a statement.
Drop SPS for a start. The kid is a jet but he is cruising.
Drop Gibbons. He's not up to it.
Drop LOB. He isn't ready to play in a stoppage-based team. Either that or tell him to run his man off his feet up and down the middle of the ground.
Bring in Jack, Kennedy and Lang or Garlett (as a forward) and tell them to hunt the footy
There are too many sacred cows at the club.
We took the piss out of Gibbs for getting dropped but at least Adelaide had the wherewithal to actually make a statement.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:25 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
Bolton has to go. Whether it’s his fault or not there has to be a change and unfortunately for him sacking the coach is the most obvious outcome.

The club need a circuit breaker

He has to stay the year at least.
He was given a three year rebuild. He's two years and four weeks in. If we sack him, he has every right to say he wasn't allowed his full three years.
This was a shit loss and the game plan is crap. If Wallsy and the other coaches can't get him to play modern footy then at the end of the year, if we haven't improved on-field, he goes.
Tonight we kicked 59 points. I'm as pissed off as anybody with the result but can we really expect to win games of footy kicking 59 points? Ross Lyon proved a decade ago that defence is all very well but it won't ever win you a GF. We have to be able to kick 90 points a week, win or lose. The only way to do that is to play a game with players in front of the footy. Either BB is stubborn or he doesn't watch the the teams in the comp playing.
The best teams in the comp atm all play a run and stun game on the back of being able to possess the footy. We don't do either and anybody who does try and break the lines has nobody to kick to because they're all behind him.
Harry has to stay at home. That way it keeps the defence honest and gives us someone other than Gibbons to kick long to.
I can't believe I am stiil up at almost 3:00 watching this rubbish week after week.


3am, you're a better man than I.

Do you really think we can afford to wait another 18 games? What if nothing changes, or it gets worse?

He needs to go. Everything you say about our game style says he needs to go.

Who at the club has had success? Who are they learning from? When it gets tough, who do they look to and say what we do? There's no-one one the field nor the coach that can answer.

Who takes his place? Not Wallsy.
BB could start by making a statement.
Drop SPS for a start. The kid is a jet but he is cruising.
Drop Gibbons. He's not up to it.
Drop LOB. He isn't ready to play in a stoppage-based team. Either that or tell him to run his man off his feet up and down the middle of the ground.
Bring in Jack, Kennedy and Lang or Garlett (as a forward) and tell them to hunt the footy
There are too many sacred cows at the club.
We took the piss out of Gibbs for getting dropped but at least Adelaide had the wherewithal to actually make a statement.


David Teague. People forget how he took to very average Northern Bullants team to consecutive VFL Grand Finals. Teague was the one and only reason why McGovern came to Carlton. Very highly regarded. I'd have him start next week if I had my way.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:26 pm 
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jim are you suggesting that SOS has done a job that is close to average?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:29 pm 
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Trash. Decision making putrid. Walked out of the game just as flat as I did on that Saturdayy night back in 2012 - the ‘Brett Ratten Memorial Shield.’ Been a quiet car ride home.

I don’t know what the answer is but sacking the coach ain’t it. No coach can fix what was happening on that field this afternoon.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:34 pm 
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Maybe we will get another 2-3 quality VFL players as ‘priority’ for how shit we are?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:35 pm 
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Scotty12000 wrote:

I don’t know what the answer is but sacking the coach ain’t it. No coach can fix what was happening on that field this afternoon.


It won't make it any worse.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:35 pm 
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I am so pi$$ed off right now that I will suspend myself from posting until tomorrow to allow rational brain time to fight off emotional brain :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:37 pm 
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jim wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
Bolton has to go. Whether it’s his fault or not there has to be a change and unfortunately for him sacking the coach is the most obvious outcome.

The club need a circuit breaker

He has to stay the year at least.
He was given a three year rebuild. He's two years and four weeks in. If we sack him, he has every right to say he wasn't allowed his full three years.
This was a shit loss and the game plan is crap. If Wallsy and the other coaches can't get him to play modern footy then at the end of the year, if we haven't improved on-field, he goes.
Tonight we kicked 59 points. I'm as pissed off as anybody with the result but can we really expect to win games of footy kicking 59 points? Ross Lyon proved a decade ago that defence is all very well but it won't ever win you a GF. We have to be able to kick 90 points a week, win or lose. The only way to do that is to play a game with players in front of the footy. Either BB is stubborn or he doesn't watch the the teams in the comp playing.
The best teams in the comp atm all play a run and stun game on the back of being able to possess the footy. We don't do either and anybody who does try and break the lines has nobody to kick to because they're all behind him.
Harry has to stay at home. That way it keeps the defence honest and gives us someone other than Gibbons to kick long to.
I can't believe I am stiil up at almost 3:00 watching this rubbish week after week.


3am, you're a better man than I.

Do you really think we can afford to wait another 18 games? What if nothing changes, or it gets worse?

He needs to go. Everything you say about our game style says he needs to go.

Who at the club has had success? Who are they learning from? When it gets tough, who do they look to and say what we do? There's no-one one the field nor the coach that can answer.

Who takes his place? Not Wallsy.
BB could start by making a statement.
Drop SPS for a start. The kid is a jet but he is cruising.
Drop Gibbons. He's not up to it.
Drop LOB. He isn't ready to play in a stoppage-based team. Either that or tell him to run his man off his feet up and down the middle of the ground.
Bring in Jack, Kennedy and Lang or Garlett (as a forward) and tell them to hunt the footy
There are too many sacred cows at the club.
We took the piss out of Gibbs for getting dropped but at least Adelaide had the wherewithal to actually make a statement.


David Teague. People forget how he took to very average Northern Bullants team to consecutive VFL Grand Finals. Teague was the one and only reason why McGovern came to Carlton. Very highly regarded. I'd have him start next week if I had my way.

Based on the forward line set ups I would not.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:43 pm 
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jim wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
Bolton has to go. Whether it’s his fault or not there has to be a change and unfortunately for him sacking the coach is the most obvious outcome.

The club need a circuit breaker

He has to stay the year at least.
He was given a three year rebuild. He's two years and four weeks in. If we sack him, he has every right to say he wasn't allowed his full three years.
This was a shit loss and the game plan is crap. If Wallsy and the other coaches can't get him to play modern footy then at the end of the year, if we haven't improved on-field, he goes.
Tonight we kicked 59 points. I'm as pissed off as anybody with the result but can we really expect to win games of footy kicking 59 points? Ross Lyon proved a decade ago that defence is all very well but it won't ever win you a GF. We have to be able to kick 90 points a week, win or lose. The only way to do that is to play a game with players in front of the footy. Either BB is stubborn or he doesn't watch the the teams in the comp playing.
The best teams in the comp atm all play a run and stun game on the back of being able to possess the footy. We don't do either and anybody who does try and break the lines has nobody to kick to because they're all behind him.
Harry has to stay at home. That way it keeps the defence honest and gives us someone other than Gibbons to kick long to.
I can't believe I am stiil up at almost 3:00 watching this rubbish week after week.


3am, you're a better man than I.

Do you really think we can afford to wait another 18 games? What if nothing changes, or it gets worse?

He needs to go. Everything you say about our game style says he needs to go.

Who at the club has had success? Who are they learning from? When it gets tough, who do they look to and say what we do? There's no-one one the field nor the coach that can answer.

Who takes his place? Not Wallsy.
BB could start by making a statement.
Drop SPS for a start. The kid is a jet but he is cruising.
Drop Gibbons. He's not up to it.
Drop LOB. He isn't ready to play in a stoppage-based team. Either that or tell him to run his man off his feet up and down the middle of the ground.
Bring in Jack, Kennedy and Lang or Garlett (as a forward) and tell them to hunt the footy
There are too many sacred cows at the club.
We took the piss out of Gibbs for getting dropped but at least Adelaide had the wherewithal to actually make a statement.


David Teague. People forget how he took to very average Northern Bullants team to consecutive VFL Grand Finals. Teague was the one and only reason why McGovern came to Carlton. Very highly regarded. I'd have him start next week if I had my way.


Give BB his term and then sakc if nothing improves. We have put up with this for so long we can wait a little longer. Give the man his time. Sakcing during a season does nothing.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:45 pm 
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Our setup and stupidity in the last 2 minutes was asking for a loss. Coaches and players fault.


This. An absolute coach killer.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:49 pm 
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Absolutely devastated. Just can't believe we lost it like that. Trying to convince myself that we are getting closer and closer. Just a day late and a dollar short now.

Just going with the positives. Pretty sure there will be plenty of sack everything talk that there will be a sack shortage down at the potato farm.

Weitering Jones Cripps and Walsh as good as anyone I. Their positions in the League at the moment.
The whole defence except the last play was great.
We moved the ball from half back to 70-80m out from goal well.

If we can start settling (don't @#$%&! panic!) with that last kick and look for a tall leading forward we will be hard to stop. Coaches to figure out why that message isn't so king in.

Kreuzer back next week and I am tipping us to win (haven't tipped us yet) for the first time next week. I'll even put $20 on it.

In a sick sense the sting of this loss is a big improvement on 14 goal floggings of last year.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:52 pm 
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Blue4ever wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Gibbons barely AFL standard as are a few others
Disappointing won 3 games out of the least 35
Not good enough even for a club rebuilding

The last 3 years have we ever won a winnable game and we always mangle in some form or another those games

Also have given no 1 pick to Adelaide in the off-season

Really lamentable


Long way to go BUT it seems we will be handing over pick 1 to the Crows, we already are the laughing stock of the AFL. Many laughs to be had at our expense.


yes, the competition needs s strong carlt...... no wait, that was Essendon*......

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:54 pm 
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Losing to gc by 2pts is pretty much equivalent to a 10 goal loss to decent sides. There’s just no excuse for it.[/quote]

yup. only carlton could lose to a team that was expected to not win a game for the year. good thing we swapped our first round pick.

i have supported this club since the days of the fold out memberships, and i bought my daughter a membership before she got a birth certificate, but i can no longer support this club. there is no direction, no belief, no skills present, no heart

ratts was never going to lead us to a premiership, but since he was sacked, the club has been running in quicksand, this is not the club I grew up supporting, the whole lot can go and....[/quote]

If Ratts has SOS as his List Manager rather than that dud Wayne Hughes we never know what might've happened.[/quote]

true Jim, but i dont think his game plan wss strong enough, albeit better than the tripe we have now. once we had injuries, it was exposed. but if wishes were fishes...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:55 pm 
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McConville33 wrote:
jim are you suggesting that SOS has done a job that is close to average?


No issue with our drafting. Been no busts.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:56 pm 
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Once we had injuries we only lost 11 games under Ratten, but TC wanted him OUT.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:58 pm 
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Glad to see the nothing has changed the usual depressing cfc pretend supporters/idiots turning up on a blog site!!
Spewing crap out of there ARSE!!


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