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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:45 pm 
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Priority pick at the start of the first round.



I’m sure the AFL will give us the opportunity of pre-listing any player we like from the VAFA by way of their priorty pick assistance.

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jim wrote:
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If we don’t win this one...

We have been comprehensively beaten in the ruck three weeks in a row in a new era where centre clearances lead to scoring opportunities.
GCS have Witts, who is one of the best rucks in the comp. We will get flogged in the centre unless our mids can rove to Witts instead of Lobbe. Can we play Levi as first ruck and have Harry as a backup? It won't make a difference in the middle but he can at least mark the footy.

This is a line in the sand game but they routinely beat us and next week I think it will happen again.

We need to bring Garlett back in for h is pace and play him forward but it won't happen because it will look like it was a mistake to drop him in the first place. LOB was a WOFTAM today and shouldn't get a game next week. Gibbons hasn't adjusted to the pace and looks like another Jordan Doering who was a sensational VFL player but that was it. Kennedy might be the one to replace him.
Jack for McGovern.

Play Harry out of the square and tell him to lead at the ball carrier. Tell the ball carrier to kick it to a lead instead of to a three on one pack.

I am not at all confident we can knock them over with the way we play.


On that first aspect we won the centre clearances 16-11 and the overall clearance 44-37. That's the figure that matters there.

That doesn't mean we won the ruck. I know you aren't a believer in hit outs to advantage and we will have to agree to disagree. Winning centre clearances has to do with the Cripps factor, not the ruck. We went a lot better when their bloke was off twice with the blood rule.
Collingwood, for example with Grundy rucking, win clearances with their mids running towards the goals from the tap. Many of ours are running backwards to a handball and then the kick forward. That's because we are 'roving' to a losing ruck. By then the 6-6-6 advantage is a lot smaller. Numbers are just numbers without the next level of scrutiny.
Imagine having Cripps in the centre bounce with Witts in the ruck for us. The clearance numbers would be even better. Around the ground is also because of the midfield grunt of Cripps. The congestion there is not affected by the 6-6-6. I am seriously hoping TDK continues his development. He looks like he will be pretty good based on the write ups. Of course I haven't seen him play.

Enjoy the game. I look forward to your comments afterwards.


I think this is a moot point, worth acknowledging but right now we don’t have anyone on our list who is anywhere near Witts or Grundy in rucking ability.

Lobbe is our fourth choice ruck and we shouldn’t expect too much from him, he’s there to give the guys in the VFL a chance to work with an experience ruck.

It's exactly why I posted it. We won the clearances despite our ruck stocks, not because of them.

Are we even allowed to say 'moot' on here? :grin:

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jim wrote:
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Not a chance if Kreuzer isn’t playing. Lobbe or Philips will get slaughtered.


Gold Coast won the taps 71-19 against the Dogs. They lost the centre clearance though 14-8 and overall 44-30. So much for a ruck advantage.


Rucks continue to contest around the ground...take marks in defence...and kick goals, well not ours in the first three rounds but the opposition seem to do so freely when playing against Lobbe and Phillips.
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
[quote="bluedog"]If we don’t win this one...

We have been comprehensively beaten in the ruck three weeks in a row in a new era where centre clearances lead to scoring opportunities.
GCS have Witts, who is one of the best rucks in the comp. We will get flogged in the centre unless our mids can rove to Witts instead of Lobbe. Can we play Levi as first ruck and have Harry as a backup? It won't make a difference in the middle but he can at least mark the footy.

This is a line in the sand game but they routinely beat us and next week I think it will happen again.

We need to bring Garlett back in for h is pace and play him forward but it won't happen because it will look like it was a mistake to drop him in the first place. LOB was a WOFTAM today and shouldn't get a game next week. Gibbons hasn't adjusted to the pace and looks like another Jordan Doering who was a sensational VFL player but that was it. Kennedy might be the one to replace him.
Jack for McGovern.

Play Harry out of the square and tell him to lead at the ball carrier. Tell the ball carrier to kick it to a lead instead of to a three on one pack.

I am not at all confident we can knock them over with the way we play.


On that first aspect we won the centre clearances 16-11 and the overall clearance 44-37. That's the figure that matters there.

That doesn't mean we won the ruck. I know you aren't a believer in hit outs to advantage and we will have to agree to disagree. Winning centre clearances has to do with the Cripps factor, not the ruck. We went a lot better when their bloke was off twice with the blood rule.
Collingwood, for example with Grundy rucking, win clearances with their mids running towards the goals from the tap. Many of ours are running backwards to a handball and then the kick forward. That's because we are 'roving' to a losing ruck. By then the 6-6-6 advantage is a lot smaller. Numbers are just numbers without the next level of scrutiny.
Imagine having Cripps in the centre bounce with Witts in the ruck for us. The clearance numbers would be even better. Around the ground is also because of the midfield grunt of Cripps. The congestion there is not affected by the 6-6-6. I am seriously hoping TDK continues his development. He looks like he will be pretty good based on the write ups. Of course I haven't seen him play.

Enjoy the game. I look forward to your comments afterwards.


I think this is a moot point, worth acknowledging but right now we don’t have anyone on our list who is anywhere near Witts or Grundy in rucking ability.

Lobbe is our fourth choice ruck and we shouldn’t expect too much from him, he’s there to give the guys in the VFL a chance to work with an experience ruck.

It's exactly why I posted it. We won the clearances despite our ruck stocks, not because of them.

Are we even allowed to say 'moot' on here? :grin:[/quote]

Sorry, “mute point”......
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Desperately need some changes.
I feel like if he had a fully fit squad and our best 22 playing we’d be going alright. Our bottom 5 or so are really bringing us down. We just aren’t good enough to carry as many passengers as we are.

Polson and Gibbons have to go. If they bang down the door in the 2s for a month give them another chance but at this stage they are providing nothing. I’d bring in Garlett to play as a small forward and Kennedy to help in the middle with our small mids to rotate through the other small forward role.

I’d drop Casboult for Silvagni. We were just way too tall on the weekend. Casboult maybe gets a reprieve if McGovern doesn’t get up.

I’d also bring Phillips or Kreuzer back in for Lobbe if either are fit.

Outside of that, I’m just hanging for Curnow, Cuningham, Williamson to get back



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Gibbons is being played out of position. Either play him in the middle or if he was recruited to be turned into a small forward then let him show some form in the 2s.

Agree, we desperately need our best 22 or close to it to win games. Still not good enough past player 26 on the list.

The defence has been solid so far this year. If we can get Williamson out there firing using that left peg to switch into the corridor from the back flank that will help our tall targets in the forward line lead at the ball from true CHF and FF instead of being stuck leading into a pocket.
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toddkurnski wrote:
Gibbons is being played out of position. Either play him in the middle or if he was recruited to be turned into a small forward then let him show some form in the 2s.

Agree, we desperately need our best 22 or close to it to win games. Still not good enough past player 26 on the list.

The defence has been solid so far this year. If we can get Williamson out there firing using that left peg to switch into the corridor from the back flank that will help our tall targets in the forward line lead at the ball from true CHF and FF instead of being stuck leading into a pocket.



I'm sure Polson and Gibbons would be playing 2's if we had the replacements available. (Cuningham, Pickett)

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Blue Vain wrote:
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Gibbons is being played out of position. Either play him in the middle or if he was recruited to be turned into a small forward then let him show some form in the 2s.

Agree, we desperately need our best 22 or close to it to win games. Still not good enough past player 26 on the list.

The defence has been solid so far this year. If we can get Williamson out there firing using that left peg to switch into the corridor from the back flank that will help our tall targets in the forward line lead at the ball from true CHF and FF instead of being stuck leading into a pocket.



I'm sure Polson and Gibbons would be playing 2's if we had the replacements available. (Cuningham, Pickett)


As I said I’d bring in Garlett to play forward and JSOS or Kennedy to play mid with Fisher and SPS spending more time forward.

Can’t be any worse than what we’re currently getting out of Polson and Gibbons


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Stefchook wrote:
You sound like Dwayne. How many teams have actually kicked 100 points this season?


Exactly

I see it week in week out...this year.

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O'Brien need's more time in the 2's as well, and Levi and Lobb are short of a gallop.
Once things unfold in the 2'swill have a better idea of options, patience.

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Dominator_7 wrote:
Lose this and I fear for Bolts future


Really?

I dont think that even close to the truth.

A lot of the inner sanctum and many many supporters feel we are on the right track and it will turn.

Forget about the last 3 years.
They were more about SOS and a changing of the guard.

There's plenty of good signs this year...a few kids are fumbling...a few kicks to goal are missing.
They can kick at this level.

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aboynamedsue wrote:
The Duke wrote:
Jonosc1 wrote:
Why would anyone be the slightest bit confident?
Rabble with some talent but no team mindset, and a coach that has lost 32 of the last 35 games.

Everyone will say be patient, don’t be the old Carlton who just sacked blokes..

You know what the old Carlton won. We didn’t constantly bang on about green shoots and pine for number one draft picks.

We were ruthless.

The game is only about winning. There is nothing else in footy at the elite level.


This.

The old Carlton sakced coaches. The old Carlton won matches.

The new Carlton won't sakc coaches. The new Carlton can't win matches.



Yeah, sacking Brittain, Pagan, Ratten & Malthouse really turned things around for us.


THIS

We can't go out and buy the players we want.

In the end the old Carlton got old and tired, didnt keep up with the times and let the club rot in debt.

We will be a destination club by the year's end.

Crippa knows he will lead the boys to glory...or at least has just as much chance as any other team...just not this year.

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jake_h03 wrote:
As I said I’d bring in Garlett to play forward and JSOS or Kennedy to play mid with Fisher and SPS spending more time forward.

Can’t be any worse than what we’re currently getting out of Polson and Gibbons


I would have bought Kennedy in as well but I doubt he was available.

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At what point do you think we should move Bolts on?


October 2020.


That's practical.

Measured and thoughtful.

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kezza wrote:
I am a glutton for punishment and going up for this game.
Anyone else as stupid as me?


At this stage I am.
I'm staying at New Brighton for a paddle on route to the game....unless I get eaten by a shark or someone spikes my drink....yes please

I'm not enjoying the end scores
I'm not enjoying the umpiring....at all
I'm not enjoying the opposition's ruck dominance.

But I'm enjoying the kids developing and can see something special building in the hearts and minds of the kids...with their god given talent.

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Blue Sombrero wrote:
jim wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
bluedog wrote:
If we don’t win this one...

We have been comprehensively beaten in the ruck three weeks in a row in a new era where centre clearances lead to scoring opportunities.
GCS have Witts, who is one of the best rucks in the comp. We will get flogged in the centre unless our mids can rove to Witts instead of Lobbe. Can we play Levi as first ruck and have Harry as a backup? It won't make a difference in the middle but he can at least mark the footy.

This is a line in the sand game but they routinely beat us and next week I think it will happen again.

We need to bring Garlett back in for h is pace and play him forward but it won't happen because it will look like it was a mistake to drop him in the first place. LOB was a WOFTAM today and shouldn't get a game next week. Gibbons hasn't adjusted to the pace and looks like another Jordan Doering who was a sensational VFL player but that was it. Kennedy might be the one to replace him.
Jack for McGovern.

Play Harry out of the square and tell him to lead at the ball carrier. Tell the ball carrier to kick it to a lead instead of to a three on one pack.

I am not at all confident we can knock them over with the way we play.


On that first aspect we won the centre clearances 16-11 and the overall clearance 44-37. That's the figure that matters there.

That doesn't mean we won the ruck. I know you aren't a believer in hit outs to advantage and we will have to agree to disagree. Winning centre clearances has to do with the Cripps factor, not the ruck. We went a lot better when their bloke was off twice with the blood rule.
Collingwood, for example with Grundy rucking, win clearances with their mids running towards the goals from the tap. Many of ours are running backwards to a handball and then the kick forward. That's because we are 'roving' to a losing ruck. By then the 6-6-6 advantage is a lot smaller. Numbers are just numbers without the next level of scrutiny.
Imagine having Cripps in the centre bounce with Witts in the ruck for us. The clearance numbers would be even better. Around the ground is also because of the midfield grunt of Cripps. The congestion there is not affected by the 6-6-6. I am seriously hoping TDK continues his development. He looks like he will be pretty good based on the write ups. Of course I haven't seen him play.

Enjoy the game. I look forward to your comments afterwards.


Great post.

Im a big believer in the ruck role prior to 666, but with 666 youre spot on.
Kreuzer isnt going to give us the advantage youre looking for, but he will keep the opposition ruck honest around the ground.

We need another Harry Madden....there's gotta be a Halem Globe Trotter for the taking in 2020

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bluegirl72 wrote:
We should draw hope from the development of Suns and Lions. We are not far behind. And we will sustain it when we get there. I


I agree.

I can see the light.

I can see the synergy with those teams.

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Blue Vain wrote:
toddkurnski wrote:
Gibbons is being played out of position. Either play him in the middle or if he was recruited to be turned into a small forward then let him show some form in the 2s.

Agree, we desperately need our best 22 or close to it to win games. Still not good enough past player 26 on the list.

The defence has been solid so far this year. If we can get Williamson out there firing using that left peg to switch into the corridor from the back flank that will help our tall targets in the forward line lead at the ball from true CHF and FF instead of being stuck leading into a pocket.



I'm sure Polson and Gibbons would be playing 2's if we had the replacements available. (Cuningham, Pickett)


I was going to post similar.

Our bottom 5 on Saturday were passngers. We can't fford that.

Hence why we looked top heavy. These smalls didnt give us what we need from our smalls

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From what I have seen from the Suns so far, this Game has the potential to be UGLY, resulting in a 70+ Thrashing, which will silence all those who were saying that Carlton is now too competitive and their heavy losses are behind them.

I Pray that I am wrong and would never see those days again.....

On Paper, we have what it takes to beat them, however on form and Game style, we are no match for the Suns. We are still playing School kid footy. This is how it felt against the Swans. Men against kids with talent.


No accountability in defense... no manning up, no hard running..... etc....


That Gibon small forward is not AFL standards.. completely lost... liability.... please Get rid of him
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