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Synbad wrote:
I really dont know where you think youre just going to find 40 guns by the end of next year Sheik.

Making outlandish statements is all fine and good.. but you need to get logical too.


I never said that we'd find 40 guns next year Synbad, all I suggested is that we will have to make room for 5-6 new draftees (who incidentally, are supposed to be part of a 'superdraft'). How do we make room for them ?? There has to be casualties, there is no other way around it. Those players that I listed plus McGrath are the ones who's nuts are on the line, if any of them don't fire up, theire @rse will be grass as they say.

Looking at it from that perspective is being logical I would have thought.

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While we are on this point, how many players have been traded or delisted in the last couple of years? Just interested to know a ballpark figure for '06.


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Synbad wrote:


Our problem isnt the Wiggos and the Corys of this club....


That is so very true.
However when you have to carry up 10 players of that ilk it is a problem.


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Sometimes you NEED to have your steak and eggs.....



With Fried Onions on the side. :wink:

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I admire Cory for always putting in, and being accountable. But he is the type of player who wont be well known to the rest of the football public as a good player. We see him play regualry and only we take notice of his 1 percenters.

For Cory to add to his game he must become a bit more dangerous with the ball so the opposition players man up on him because his skills are good. If he was a bit more explosive he could hurt the opposition.

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Cory will be ok.. he is in a transition phase..from receiver to a bone fide footballer.
He is still a poretty good footballer.
I rate him.

Not as a gun but as an AFL standard footballer with the right attitude.
You look at a guy like Baker at StKilda.. no gun either but with the right mix around him does a great job.

i think of some of you are losing it.....

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Fabulous wrote:
I admire Cory for always putting in, and being accountable. But he is the type of player who wont be well known to the rest of the football public as a good player.


Nor was Brett Ratten until the late 90s, long after he'd won a B&F in a premiership year.

The rest of the football public are dumb :lol:

Over time, the standards he sets on the field will hopefully be adopted by a bunch of players with more talent. But they need to have examples, the talent can't be taught but the work ethic can.

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I think McGrath has given us flair and run from the back pocket and although older than Carrazzo I believe he has better skills. I hbelieve that as the season wore on last year he made the back pocket position his own I also think having two or more players in the side ( McGrath, Carrazzo, Bentick and Wiggins) who can shift between onball, run with and back line roles is very handy. IMO it gives the coach some flexibiltiy in his match ups. I'm more concerned about our half back line.


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The fact that he was the last of the traded players from 03 to get a game in 04 was probably a blessing in disguise for Cory. When he did crack a game that year I believe he then went through the rest of the season without being dropped, as he had truly worked for his spot...unlike a Kenna who got an armchair ride into the side for Rd 1.
Cory then had a stellar preseason leading into 05 and 19 games clearly is his best return since being in the system. As Synbad says he is evolving into a professional footballer. I believe the best of CMG is yet to come. Enjoy it people!


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A fantastic person and a true professional but he has to take a big step in 06.
Cory is a bit part player who has failed to establish a role for himself in the team.
Therefore he is competing against Prender, Sporn, Wiggo, Davies, Bannister and Walker as stop gap players.
He worries me that like Bannister his game drops away badly when he loses confidence.

I disagree about him establishing the back pocket as his position. He is quickish, has great skills given time and space but lacks the composure to play in the last line and panics under pressure.
He may have better skills than Carrazzo but Carrots kills him for natural football ability. Carrazzo is composed, rational in his decision making under duress and is a natural one on one player.
Plus he's just turned 22 and is 5 years younger than Cory.

I hope Cory establishes a position for himself and personally believe he could possibly play a defensive wing role well. If he can be utilised as the player carrying the ball out of defence, his skills are brilliant delivering to the forwards.

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bluehammer wrote:
The rest of the football public are dumb :lol:


DUH! :lol:

The rest of the post I agree with. He's a good depth player in a good team who can be a good verstile player in this team. Looking forward to a good year from him in 2006.

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TheSheik wrote:
Came to the club in that infamous & ongoing mass stocktake sale of mature age players we embarked upon. Scotland, Martyn, Harford, Johnson, Bannister, Morrell, Kenna, DeLuca, Mott, Bowyer etc all had varied success onfield but only three of them are still at the club. As a consequence, I believe that McGrath is going to be viewed in a somewhat tarnished light just like a number of those others and would be considered only as a back-up player.

I've only seen him play 3-4 games and he didn't do anything terribly wrong but he didn't do anything to make me sit up and go 'wow' either. We have now moved on to a solid youth policy and it for this reason alone that I believe his place on the playing list will come under heavy scrutiny at the end of the 2006 season.

It's not like he a gun matchwinner too, he's just your run-of-the-mill 181cm utility player who has to play at his best every game to ensure his career goes the distance. I'd lump him in with Livingston, Longmuir, Davies, Bannister, Prendergast, Sporn, Wiggins & Chambers as those who will be playing for their career in 2006. A shabby end of season report will see him (and any of those others listed) shown the door pretty quickly. The club is going to have to make room for 5-6 boom draftees next year and IMO, those places will more than likely be freed up from those guys including McGrath.
Not everyone in a team is going to make you go "wow". If they did you'd win a premiership every year. Some are solid foot soldiers that fill a role, don't stand out but have good, long decent careers. McGrath has played some solid footy from mid-2004 on, nothing spectatular but filled a role. Just the unobtrusive type that may, for example, sit in a back pocket and play a number of years before anyone realises he's there. All sides have them. I rate him more highly than the one's you mention above. Who's to say we'll get 5-6 boom draftees. By the 4th pick you're pushing not much short of pick 60. No guarantees there.


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Say whatever you like about McGrath but he was needed in 2 to 3 spots in 2005. We are very light on for defenders who can win contested ball and I thought McGrath did very well at times. Defenders can't all be like Wanganeen in the nineties or Chris Johnson these days. Some just have to work hard and I am really happy with his year.

The best bit though is that Murphy has retired proving yet again that the McGrath and Murphy trade was a really good one for us. We picked up a roughly similar player who happened to 5 years younger. Good move Carlton.


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He did have to earn his crust in 2005...and has been rewarded with a leadership position in 2006.

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McGrath is old. He has been a slow, but thoughtful learner. He will never be an A++ student, but with application and an adherence to hard work he may well end up in the top 10% of our 2006 graduating year, I hope so anyway! YAY!


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