So how's about that Lance Whitnall? I wonder where he is at in his career?

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Backpeddling? CarltonClem wrote

You can interpret what I said in a number of ways because it's text.

You've proved my point about TC posters wanting just to point out errors etc. etc.

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Huh? It's always been this way, ever since I started watching football 20 years ago. Fans demand that the high paid players perform - as you would in your current job demand that the highest paid people perform. With high pay in the real world comes an expectation of sacking someone, with high pay in the footy world, you cant exactly sack them until a certain juncture in the season so you demand performance.

There is nothing wrong with it, it is entirely normal and consistent with everyday values.

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They have? Back in 1986? What were the "high paid" players earning back then? $1000 a game?

It's always been this way? ah.......I don't think so Tim.

Well when you have a few blokes taking up the lions share of the salary cap and playing with all the conviction of Prlando Bloom in Troy... you struggle in alot of areas.. finances... playing list... leadership etc.

Were shit with what we have .. but last year we paid out number 5 in the league.

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Who is Tim?

Bollocks. When we went over and bought the West Australians and the South AUstralians on big bucks we expected performance. Didn't you?

Big money = big expectations = big disappointment upon failure.

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If you are trying to compare supporters expectations with now and 20 years ago, you are way off the mark.

Dear present givers

We at the Buzz do not like to intrude on the valid arguments for & against on the performances of certain players. However, we do have one question when it comes to Mr.Lance Whitnall.

If he is so smart, why does he continually give away this free kick?

http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg= ... eid=241739

You know you've seen it before - why why why?

No I am trying to refute your political stance on football by saying that football fans expect more from higher price players. That is one the key arguments in this Whitnall thread - imagine if he hadn't have been paid so much over the past few years, do you really think we'd be on the 13th page of this thread?

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Um....maybe you should go over those 13 pages and read where I wrote the only reason this thread exists is because of money being paid to Whitnall???

Thats why we had to get Kennedy....big body, good pair of hands, and hard worker....Fisher too light..Lance cant mark the footy and isnt up to it.....we need our own "out of the box" CHF or we are going nowhere...its no secret that if you have a good CHF you are half way to having a good team..as good as Marc Murphy will be, we need a powerhouse at CHF to channel Murphys work through and make life easier for Fevola.

Rocca has limitations with fitness and moblity but is better than he was, I expect Kennedy to be more the complete package than Rocca..Synbad is right though..when you look up field you want a decent target and Rocca can mark the footy in contested situations....

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Your inference being that we have to disagree on every point? You can't ignore that he was massively overpaid on performance 2002-2004, and that Camporeale was in the same boat? Maybe you have confused me with that disgraceful signature of yours.

My only response on this long-winded rehash of the last 147 other Whitnall threads is your comment about how our expectations drive our negativity and all that throwaway neo-socialist response on page 11 or 12.

And ElwoodBlues if Kennedy isn't miles better than Rocca we're going nowhere!

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I'm confusing you with the "disgraceful" TV show Coupling?

I doubt anyone was assessing perfomance against pay in 1985. I'd like someone to tell me how they were doing that 20 years ago, but I'd be surprised if anyone puts their hand up.

The difficulty is Elwood that Lance has been around already for what 9 or 10 seasons?? Brown and Tredrea and Riewoldt et al have all surfaced in that time, with Lance still not even looking like an old man. I'm not sure the biggest hole in our team during that 10 years have been at CHF, hence why would we have even targeted to recruit a CHF? Maybe that's where they see the problem now.

If Kennedy works out better than Rocca, I'll be happy, if he works out better than Lance, I'll be even happier, the guy has played alot of games for us and was the youngest ever to reach either 150 or 200 games for the club (is that right? I'm not big on stats as I'm sure you can tell) I think the match committee and the coaching staff see alot in Lance that those who are critical of him don't see.

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verbs heard of Diamond Jim? Not sure of the year but they sure as hell were doing exactly that with him, papers, television etc. And demons fans, ohh the sad demon fans screaming for some value for their investment.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I'm sure there are isolated examples. Today it is widespread...throughout the entire supporter base all over the country (hence my mention of Lions fans, a supporter base which has nothing to whinge about).

yeah so it started to happen and grew from there. i understand what you're saying verbs but athorn is right, it happened in the eighties. The rest is degrees.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Well, Athorn said it's always been that way. I chose the 80s because I don't remember much beyond '82. I remember very little talk about money, and though I'm sure it happened, it wasn't a fiaxation of supporters back then like it is now, which is what I've been saying all along...and in particular that fixating on money is always going to bring negativity.

Verbs, you're 31. The concept of thinking about how well remunerated the players are when you're 10-13 is a bit much.

Ask any kid today, they don't think cash payments, back-ended contracts and the like, they just look at the field and see superheroes.

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