Elwood Blues1 wrote:
You underestimate Brown and imply because he is a physical player(bash and crash) he isnt smart...thats incorrect...he is better than that...and Brisbane will probably make the very dumb Jonothan Brown captain when Voss retires...I guess you think Barry Hall is a dumb player in comparison to Lance as well...Barry being a well known bash and crash meathead..
You also failed to address the issue of Lance and marking the footy..he doesnt take overhead marks at all and you know it but wont admit it..Richo who you slagged and Anthony Rocca would both take more overheads than Lance..
Josh Kennedy was recruited as a CHF and because he has good work ethic and leadership potential.....two facets of the game that Lance doesnt have..we can play games but you know as well as I that Kennedy is our next CHF because Lance cant cut it and perform in a Brown or Tredrae type fashion.... and those two attributes I mentioned are part of the reason why Lance wont play CHF once Kennedy is fit and firing.
Murphy and Bentick are different types of players...Bentick is a bluecollar extractor in the Ratten mode.....Murphy is a Blue Chip player who is capable in that area but is also a creative player in the Luke Ball mode.....
If I let myself down with skinfold comments you joined me with your Livo outburst..Livo is no superstar but he doesnt get paid like one either, Livo does give you 100% effort though... dont disagree that Lance was tried down back to shore up the defense, but at times he was sent down there to try and get a kick because he wasnt getting too many up forward or taking too many marks...he also was used as a spare man often without an opponent so we could limit the damage...
Gees Elwood, maybe take a Valium and calm down. Then you can stop making shit up and trying to pass it off as my arguments. Show where I said Brown is very dumb, show me where I said I think Hall is dumb??
Ok so it's obvious by your rhetoric and vitriole that you have an axe to grind, so lets grind, point by point.
I don't underestimate Jonathan Brown, for the THRID TIME I will say I think he's a great player and I would have him in my team. THE THIRD TIME, get it, he's a great player and I would have him in my team in one second.
Hall, never mentioned Hall in the same class as Brown, a comparison you made, not me. You don't know my opinion of Hall so don't make one up and try to pass it off as mine.
Overhead marks - I don't have the stats in front of me mate, you're probably right, Lance may not take as many as Brown or Tredrea, I get back to my point, Brown and Tredrea are both out of the box. Get Lance on the end of a Brissy midfield and do you think maybe he would take more marks?? The number of times I had to sit there last year and watch players @#$%&! up their disposal into the forward line even though they were 10 metres in the clear was mind numbing. Maybe, just maybe, do you think if people on our team could hit a target, he might take more marks, hmmmm, maybe yeah, the stats don't tell the full story.
You want Richo and Rocca in your team instead of Lance you can have em, Richmond should have got rid of Richo years ago, he is poison for team morale when they are losing I'd rather have someone who maybe isn't the strong leader like Lance but doesn't abuse his team mates when he doesn't get a grass cutter in the guts. As for Rocca, come on, get serious, Rocca is big and tall and strong and can't be relied upon to do anything when it matters. I'd rather have Travis Cloke than Rocca.
Just bear in mind that Kennedy hasn't played a game, there have been plenty of kids with leadership potential and the possiblity of playing like other CHF's. Don't get me wrong, I hope the kid's a gun, but saying he's been brought in to replace Lance and CHF straight away is surely a bit fanciful? And would you stop banging on about Brown and Tredrea and comparing them with Lance, I've already said he doesn't play like that or to that level.
Ok then about Murphy and Bentick, not sure it was a literal translation but more of an example. You don't stop recruiting for a position because you have someone in it. General concensus these days from the draft is, particularly early on, you take the best player available. Regardless of who you have playing for you and in what position. If Kennedy plays CHF and pushes Lance to CHB then you won't find a happier man than me because I think Lance is good value back there.
trust me, that wasn't an outburst, defending Livo is defending the indefensible. A number four draft pick who has been given too many chances and still hasn't a clue about how to play the backline, watching his display against Tarrant last year was an embarrasment.
Maybe Lance wasn't getting a kick because the ball wasn't up there that much? Fisher and Fevola with Lance up there and I think it's a pretty potent forward line.
Bottom line, Lance isn't, repeat ISN'T, IS NOT as good as Brown or Tredrea I never claimed he was, but I wouldn't trade him and I don't think he derserves the sort of narrow minded abuse he gets from alot of Carlton supporters, if he was on a Jenny Craig poster then I'd say he wasn't earning his money, but on the footy field, I'd say he's probably slightly down in some areas, but a very big plus in others. He may be on too much money, but during the Elliot era players earned big money that it's pretty hard to drag them back from, I'd be more disappointed if someone like Fevola didn't perform this year than Lance.
Anyway, that should just about cover it. Just let me repeat, because you don't seem to read what I have to say, that Lance may not be all things to all people, he may not be the strongest mark, or the hardest trainer at the club, but I still don't think he should be on the block, and the Carlton match committee and coach, who know a hell of a lot more than you or me about football, are on my side.
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