The side Brisbane fielded on the weekend averaged 5 more games experience than Collingwood too.

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Less than 50 games Freo 11 Carlton 11
50 to 99 games Freo 5 Carlton 6
100 to 149 Freo 3 Carlton 1
150 plus Freo 3 carlton 4

average age Freo 24 years 3 months Carl 24years 9 months

Average games Freo 75.4 Carlton 83.9


Next excuse - and please don't tell me the players we had out were better than the ones they were missing

Carltons woeful season is not the playing list it is not the injuries it is coaching and development

Look at the season Bolton and the Club reacts to what is said in the papers and Media
We need to be more attacking - so we attack
we went to attacking so we go back defensive
Mackay not ready - where is mackay so Mackay plays - Mackay still not ready So Dropped - out cry again Mackay plays
Play zone defence -so we play it - then why aren't we man on man - so we go back to man on man
Where is the President - so the President fronts ups
where is the List manager - So list manager fronts up
Weiters should be dropped - no he shouldn't then he is dropped
SOS junior where is he at -so a week later dropped


and there are people around who think this is all part of a grand plan and they know what they are doing

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Great post

All these stats people are reeling off say nothing of what the list actually is.

Nobody over 25 is an A Grade footballer. It’s sad but true. We sold them all for young players and paying a price for that now in the short term.

Simpson, Murphy and Curnow are our top line older players. They are solid but not anywhere near A Grade. Kreuzer and Jones were very good last year but have been injured all year. That’s it. The rest are poor players. But that is not where the list is heading. It would be great to have a senior core to lead the way but we don’t. I think we have done poorly with our older recruits like Smedts and Shaw. But that’s another discussion.

Honest question, is there another team in the comp with a worse group of over 25’s? The Suns? Ours, they drag up our average but they aren’t quality. Nowhere near it.

The under 25 is where you have focus.



Of this list Docherty (fingers crossed he can get back to where he was) and Cripps are already A grade.

Dow
Curnow
McKay
SPS
Fisher
Weitering (I forgot he was only 20)

Will definitely be terrific players

Then there is a whole other core of youngsters who have shown enough in a few games to suggest they will be better than the Graham and Kerridge types

Cunningham
Marchbank
Plowman
Williamson
Kennedy
Pickett
Silvagni
Macreadie
Byrne
Lang

The rest are unknown quantities without enough evidence to know.

Would like to see more impact from Polson and O’Brien but they have time

The above are 20 players under 25. Only 5 have played more than 50 games.

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Our older players are poor footballers and likely the worst group of over 25s in the league

Our under 25s look good. It’s been a shitty 20 years but we at least have talent on the list. We need more midfielders and less injuries. 2018, football wise, can’t finish soon enough.

Exactly. According to Google, to take something at face value is "to believe that what the person is saying is truth and rather than looking into the detail. It's to not understand the bigger picture, motive or true reason."

Glad we would never judge and sack a coach based on face value.

This was about the 5th game this season where a side got a run on us for a period of the game and we didn't appear to do anything strategically to change things around. I cannot understand why we would not consider putting Charlie on the ball if we are going almost a whole quarter without getting the ball down forward. We seem content to have our second best player totally out of the action for long periods because we cannot get the ball to him. I agree that who9ever we moved forward would not be anywhere near as good, but leaving Charlie forward when the ball doesn't get to him is a real waste.

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thanks todd

good analysis

Why it is utter rubbish
Daisy was regarded as the best player in the game before he came to Carlton
Kruezer should have been AA last year
Murphy won coaches association award
And Simpson has probably been the most consistent backman for the past 10 years

Ed Curnow was regarded as the best tagger in the game

Cripps is the contested ball beast and clearance king

We have more 1st round draft picks than any other club

It is coaching and development that is our issue
The sooner they recognize this the better.


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Good post however I would consider Marchbank to be in the "will be terrific" category whilst I think you are being a little harsh on O'Brien who I think will be a quality player.
Furthermore Tom DeKoning by all reports is an exciting prospect even though he hasn't played senior footy yet.

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All good Mick. Nothing to see here. Another 3 to 5 top picks will set us up........keep the faith.....

Exactly
I wish people would get that through their f...thick heads

Rexy put it well... our young players are inconsistent, but they are even more inconsistent and burdened because the older players are bush league. This means that they are now exhausted and cooked and need a break.

Rowe, Graham, Kerridge, Lamb, Wright, Thomas, O'Shea, Mullett, Casboult, Shaw are VFL
Murphy is not a captain's bootlace ...
Key injuries...(yes they are a genuine excuse, get over it if you believe they're not)

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I"ll never lose faith Surrey.Ever..............but ya gotta admit Suzz,this mob take you to the brink...........Anyhow,thanks for the encouragement.

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I should have put this emoji .
Don’t worry pal. I’m with you.

3 surgeries and 5 games in his last year at Collingwood. Even they knew he would never be the same player. He was broken when we got him.

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Not denying that but he was once an A grader and Daisy appears to have a positive influence on the younger players.

And he is playing on next year


I am just tired of every clutching at every straw going to justify how shit we are.


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The first half and much of the last quarter we were well on top. How can you not be excited by some of what Dow did? Curnow and McKay? Petrevski-Seton? O'Brien's first half on Hill? No Fisher. No Weitering. Cripps doing Cripps. No Docherty.

Dow will be amazing. Can't put it together over four quarters this year. Watch out next year.

Agree with a bit of that
But from what I have seen I am not a big wrap for
Some of the guys who you label as better than Kerridge and Graham
Plowman too slow shit kick provides no run out of defence
March bank average kick not the greatest footy brain
Cunningham and Pickett look a million dollars but do @#$%&! all
When they are out there
SOJ not good enough
Lang soft as warm butter
Kennedy slow average kick
Yep there young been injured but they would need to improve next year
I like Byrne reckon he would make a decent mid

Would like Schumacher and DeKoning be given a taste
And rookie Fisher and Palmer from the magoos at least

My vote is for the glass half full