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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:23 am 
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Kelly and Coniglio are also out of contract next year. Target one of them.

I agree ... Coniglio ...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:23 pm 
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Agree Rod only positive of yesterday was H -should have kicked 5 goals - wip and needs to work hard on deficiencies - I went yesterday and super depressing but GWS are quality

Can we never play OShea and Graham again stamp their papers - don't care if anyone else is undercooked no good or only selected on potential -get them in and don't play those 2 again -they are teaching our young guys nothing and give zero protection to any of our young guys - for example why not see if Kerr can play in defence as opposed to OShea continually giving goals away and has no decision making skills at all - we get beaten by 100 points when they play- why not experiment with 3 games to go - we are staring at a huge loss against Freo irrespective of whether OShea or Graham play or not

PS only other good thing about yesterday is that GC were nearly as bad so if they give them a PP then we get one even though our nuffies are too hairy chested ATM to request one


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:44 pm 
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Agree Rod only positive of yesterday was H -should have kicked 5 goals - wip and needs to work hard on deficiencies - I went yesterday and super depressing but GWS are quality

Can we never play OShea and Graham again stamp their papers - don't care if anyone else is undercooked no good or only selected on potential -get them in and don't play those 2 again -they are teaching our young guys nothing and give zero protection to any of our young guys - for example why not see if Kerr can play in defence as opposed to OShea continually giving goals away and has no decision making skills at all - we get beaten by 100 points when they play- why not experiment with 3 games to go - we are staring at a huge loss against Freo irrespective of whether OShea or Graham play or not

PS only other good thing about yesterday is that GC were nearly as bad so if they give them a PP then we get one even though our nuffies are too hairy chested ATM to request one


I agree with how bad these two seem to be and I say seem as they are not AFL A graders and have truly been exposed this year. But are you suggesting we play an underdone player and risk more injuries then these two? Haven't we done this enough times this year already?

I agree that they are not in our best 22 nor even possibly our best 30 but we don't really have a choice to not keep them given our position on the ladder, inability to attract better mature age talent and the amount of injuries we've had.

I agree with experimenting in the last 3 games but you will definitely upset some on here if the "game plan" isn't up to scratch, but I think they have been experimenting all year, just not by choice.


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frank dardew wrote:
Agree Rod only positive of yesterday was H -should have kicked 5 goals - wip and needs to work hard on deficiencies - I went yesterday and super depressing but GWS are quality

Can we never play OShea and Graham again stamp their papers - don't care if anyone else is undercooked no good or only selected on potential -get them in and don't play those 2 again -they are teaching our young guys nothing and give zero protection to any of our young guys - for example why not see if Kerr can play in defence as opposed to OShea continually giving goals away and has no decision making skills at all - we get beaten by 100 points when they play- why not experiment with 3 games to go - we are staring at a huge loss against Freo irrespective of whether OShea or Graham play or not

PS only other good thing about yesterday is that GC were nearly as bad so if they give them a PP then we get one even though our nuffies are too hairy chested ATM to request one


I agree with how bad these too seem to be and I say seem as they are not AFL A graders and have truly been exposed this year. But are you suggesting we play an underdone player and risk more injuries then these two? Haven't we done this enough times this year already?

I agree that they are not in our best 22 nor even possibly our best 30 but we don't really have a choice to not keep them given our position on the ladder, inability to attract better mature age talent and the amount of injuries we've had.

I agree with experimenting in the last 3 games but you will definitely upset some on here if the "game plan" isn't up to scratch, but I think they have been experimenting all year, just not by choice.


Two quality posts. Thankyou gentlemen.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:07 pm 
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Sidex -don't want to get anyone injured but cant see why you would have OShea play in preference to Macreadie or Kerr - maybe Macreadie isn't fit enough but if he is see you later OShea -also Kerr has shown enough as a forward to be given another years contract -why not say to him we want to improve your defensive side of the game -we want to see how you go in the backline as a defender -take Osheas spot -Graham is a bit harder because we probably have no midfielders left but why not try Garlett again (yes a bit of a revolving door) or try Schumacher - yes he might not be a midfielder but give it a go -Garlett certainly has more upside than Graham in my view

Also if we are trying to fatten the calf ie get him ready to trade and we wont play Macreadie or Kerr for whatever reason why not try Casboult instead of OShea - the thought of casbolut and Rowe together in the backline does make me shudder but just as bad as OShea /Rowe combination and at least Casboult has some future OShea has none

Just a hunch and maybe I'm completely out of it here but with GC losing Lynch and 2 Metre Peter having a knee injury now a big bodied casboult with some senior experience maybe attractive to the GC

We are going to get smacked ON sUNDAY nonetheless but at least try something different - have simpson play as a midfielder and have Schumacher play off hb and drop Graham

Try Poulson as a small speedy back pocket


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:37 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Sidex -don't want to get anyone injured but cant see why you would have OShea play in preference to Macreadie or Kerr - maybe Macreadie isn't fit enough but if he is see you later OShea -also Kerr has shown enough as a forward to be given another years contract -why not say to him we want to improve your defensive side of the game -we want to see how you go in the backline as a defender -take Osheas spot -Graham is a bit harder because we probably have no midfielders left but why not try Garlett again (yes a bit of a revolving door) or try Schumacher - yes he might not be a midfielder but give it a go -Garlett certainly has more upside than Graham in my view

Also if we are trying to fatten the calf ie get him ready to trade and we wont play Macreadie or Kerr for whatever reason why not try Casboult instead of OShea - the thought of casbolut and Rowe together in the backline does make me shudder but just as bad as OShea /Rowe combination and at least Casboult has some future OShea has none

Just a hunch and maybe I'm completely out of it here but with GC losing Lynch and 2 Metre Peter having a knee injury now a big bodied casboult with some senior experience maybe attractive to the GC

We are going to get smacked ON sUNDAY nonetheless but at least try something different - have simpson play as a midfielder and have Schumacher play off hb and drop Graham

Try Poulson as a small speedy back pocket


Very valid points.
-I wouldn't want to see Macreadie in the side this year given his injuries and fitness.
-That would be a great idea for Kerr though, not sure if they have tried him defence in the VFL yet to see how he goes.
-From memory Garlett hasn't been setting the world on fire in the VFL but Graham has, maybe it is just injury management.
-I'd like them to try Schumacher over O'Shea before the season ends.
-Polson is a hard one as he's just so short, quick but has too many brain fades and poor disposal skills. He would be great in the middle if he could work on his explosion and disposal skills.

Agree 100%, Casboult should be in the side so we can sell him to GC. Maybe he's not in the side for the same reason though. :sly:

I agree, this Sunday will be horrific also. I think we should be resting as many of the talented kids/senior players with minor injuries as possible and getting them ready for an uninterrupted pre season training.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:10 pm 
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Re Poulson agree hard to get a read on him - skills and decision making sometimes no good then again saw him hit a couple of ripper left foot passes yesterday one which resulted in a goal that encouraged me and he really tries to put pressure on unlike a few others and tackles quite well for a small player .

Obviously the left is his no dominant side but he must be working on it at training and had enough guts to try them in the match situation - should have really kicked a couple of goals yesterday and with a bit more composure will nail them - just starting to believe I reckon and a long way to go

yesterday was shocking but once again I do acknowledge a side without kreuz docs Williamson jones fisher (probably our most improved player) Phillips silvagni silvagni weitering plowman and Cunningham with the no of d graders on our list means we are really struggling to be competitive


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:12 pm 
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He's still young so hopefully we stick with him for a bit and see how he develops, could be another Caleb Daniel if he gets the right support on and off the field.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:44 pm 
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Just our luck Adel have 7 not 6, given it is widely felt there are six standouts in the draft.

Of course 7 will be 8 thanks to Lynch leaving.

After giving it a lot of thought I want high end talent so that means using 1 at the draft not trading it.

SOS needs to try and bundle 24 + 28 for a pick in the teens.


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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-06/p ... ling-blues

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Aug 6, 2018 9:41PM
It was another dismal day at the office for the Blues on Sunday - AFL,Carlton Blues,Gillon McLachlan
It was another dismal day at the office for the Blues on Sunday
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Nine things we learned from round 20

CARLTON has left open the possibility of applying for a priority pick, despite declaring in May that would not happen.

The Blues have had a dismal year, having won just two games.

They were on the end of a humiliating 105-point belting at the hands of Greater Western Sydney last Sunday in which the Giants had no fit players on the bench for much of the second half, and for stints in the final term had 17 and then 16 players on the field.

Nevertheless, GWS won that quarter by 39 points.

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Carlton chief executive officer Cain Liddle told Channel Seven's Talking Footy on Monday his team wasn't thinking about applying for a priority pick – at the moment.

"As we've said all along, we're not putting any energy or time or focus into worrying about what is largely out of our control right now," Liddle said.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:05 pm 
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Liddle is back tracking beautfifully, one would have to have rocks in the not to apply for a pp a
given our state.
There would have been mayhem if we'd not received a PP.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:50 pm 
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If we applied for a PP earlier and proceeded to get belted every week like we have been, wed be accused of tanking again. this way we show we’re crap and apply when we’ve set the scene for our desperation


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A PP at 20-22 won't help much after GCS gets pick 3 and maybe 4 for Lynch and then a PP at 22-4.
We need a PP after the GCS has its nose in the trough courtesy of FA compo.

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So ... next year ... even without any free agents (Gaff etc) or picking the best player in the draft (Rankine), the team for next year would look a lot better.

Plowman, Jones, Marchbank
Simpson, Weitering, Docherty
Williamson, Dow, Murphy
Fisher, McKay, Lang
Picket, C Curnow, Kerr

Fol: Kreuzer, Cripps, Kennedy

I/C: E Curnow, SPS, SOS, O’Brien

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:32 am 
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If you want truffles you've got to get your nose in the dirt with the pigs.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:42 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
If you want truffles you've got to get your nose in the dirt with the pigs.


Or you get the pigs to do the dirty work for you.

Which is pretty much what we are doing, the media now is starting to sympathise our plight.

I'm 100% that the powers at the club have got this! :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:14 am 
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I have to admit that lately I have waxed and waned between thinking that with less injuries (a little luck), another pre-season and a few quality recruits we'll be a solid competitive outfit next year... and worrying that this season really is square one and we're five years or more away.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:27 pm 
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bluechampion wrote:
I have to admit that lately I have waxed and waned between thinking that with less injuries (a little luck), another pre-season and a few quality recruits we'll be a solid competitive outfit next year... and worrying that this season really is square one and we're five years or more away.



yep it's true. there's no shades of grey next season for me either. all or nothing seems to be about right ... if health returns (it will), and the coaching is on point, we could climb the ladder fast.

but, if the coaching is not on point (there's red flags there, imo) and we waste another season deliberating about what to do about it, it'll be another lost year in among many lost years.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:03 pm 
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Taff wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Agree Rod only positive of yesterday was H -should have kicked 5 goals - wip and needs to work hard on deficiencies - I went yesterday and super depressing but GWS are quality

Can we never play OShea and Graham again stamp their papers - don't care if anyone else is undercooked no good or only selected on potential -get them in and don't play those 2 again -they are teaching our young guys nothing and give zero protection to any of our young guys - for example why not see if Kerr can play in defence as opposed to OShea continually giving goals away and has no decision making skills at all - we get beaten by 100 points when they play- why not experiment with 3 games to go - we are staring at a huge loss against Freo irrespective of whether OShea or Graham play or not

PS only other good thing about yesterday is that GC were nearly as bad so if they give them a PP then we get one even though our nuffies are too hairy chested ATM to request one


I agree with how bad these too seem to be and I say seem as they are not AFL A graders and have truly been exposed this year. But are you suggesting we play an underdone player and risk more injuries then these two? Haven't we done this enough times this year already?

I agree that they are not in our best 22 nor even possibly our best 30 but we don't really have a choice to not keep them given our position on the ladder, inability to attract better mature age talent and the amount of injuries we've had.

I agree with experimenting in the last 3 games but you will definitely upset some on here if the "game plan" isn't up to scratch, but I think they have been experimenting all year, just not by choice.


Two quality posts. Thankyou gentlemen.

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There is a rumour on BF that Gold Coast are showing interest in Levi.


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