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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:03 am 
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Taff wrote:
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Brently8 wrote:
Compare our list this year to Clarko and Hardwick's list in their 3rd year. They had far superior lists, much more quality and experience, mature bodies and an incredible run with injuries.

Add this to a club that had the lowest footy department spend in the entire competition, a rookie CEO coming on board and the football manager 'resigning' half way through the season.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.



our club is a mess and riddled with incompetence from top to bottom. bolton included. no one gets a pass. trying to credit the proper amount of blame on any one person or department when we are this glaringly bad, is the equivalent of herding cats.

if you judge bolton on his gameday product he still fails. the skills and effort this season has been a fail and the players at times look so lost and incapable of any gameplan. this is coaching.


... but, the club has totally screwed bolton over by thinking because we're reseting, there's no need to spend money on departments. development, scouting, recruiting, injury prevention and rehab etc ... bringing in rookie CEO's and a pres who are all about business, and less about football acumen, will obviously do that.

as a club we lack quality people (at the top) with intelligent football brains.


Interesting point. Not sure that that that is necessarily a key quality of a President. Our past President is a case in point. Leadership has many elements with one key element getting the right people in the right positions. That is always one of the biggest challenges in any organisation. It is quite clear that we have not done that particularly well over the past 20 years.


Correct and if we keep doing "clean outs" of the management of the club we will be in the same position we are now, they are a team too.

I think all the detractors keep forgetting that we were not only shit, but shit broke. The current management team made a 2.4mil profit last year and we have 55k members for a 18th position club, that's a pretty good result off field. There is a reason we didn't spend much on the football department and that is because we had none. Now we are back making money and have cash flow (the key to every business) we can afford to upgrade at the club and hopefully continue rebuilding the club off field for on field success.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:27 am 
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Steve_C7 wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Brently8 wrote:
Compare our list this year to Clarko and Hardwick's list in their 3rd year. They had far superior lists, much more quality and experience, mature bodies and an incredible run with injuries.

Add this to a club that had the lowest footy department spend in the entire competition, a rookie CEO coming on board and the football manager 'resigning' half way through the season.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.



our club is a mess and riddled with incompetence from top to bottom. bolton included. no one gets a pass. trying to credit the proper amount of blame on any one person or department when we are this glaringly bad, is the equivalent of herding cats.

if you judge bolton on his gameday product he still fails. the skills and effort this season has been a fail and the players at times look so lost and incapable of any gameplan. this is coaching.


... but, the club has totally screwed bolton over by thinking because we're reseting, there's no need to spend money on departments. development, scouting, recruiting, injury prevention and rehab etc ... bringing in rookie CEO's and a pres who are all about business, and less about football acumen, will obviously do that.

as a club we lack quality people (at the top) with intelligent football brains.


That is the job of the Head of Football, do you believe that Macca resigned voluntarily?

Most important appointment at the club and if we get it right, things will turn quickly.


Spot on. Gubby Allan is available :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:35 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Brently8 wrote:
Compare our list this year to Clarko and Hardwick's list in their 3rd year. They had far superior lists, much more quality and experience, mature bodies and an incredible run with injuries.

Add this to a club that had the lowest footy department spend in the entire competition, a rookie CEO coming on board and the football manager 'resigning' half way through the season.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.



our club is a mess and riddled with incompetence from top to bottom. bolton included. no one gets a pass. trying to credit the proper amount of blame on any one person or department when we are this glaringly bad, is the equivalent of herding cats.

if you judge bolton on his gameday product he still fails. the skills and effort this season has been a fail and the players at times look so lost and incapable of any gameplan. this is coaching.


... but, the club has totally screwed bolton over by thinking because we're reseting, there's no need to spend money on departments. development, scouting, recruiting, injury prevention and rehab etc ... bringing in rookie CEO's and a pres who are all about business, and less about football acumen, will obviously do that.

as a club we lack quality people (at the top) with intelligent football brains.


No offence, but how would you know?
The membership or marketing or Corporate Marketing department may be working far better than previously. How would you know?
How do you know the President has less football acumen than any other Presidents? It looks like a lot of guess work to me. The trouble with these posts is others cling to the opinion as it has some form of fact attached to it. Then we get posters coming up with solutions to a problem that may well not exist!

Does Hawthorn have people at the top with intelligent football brains? How about the Bulldogs? Kangaroos? Sydney?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:51 pm 
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Kennett knows everything about everything - didn't you know that BV?

as for solutions to problems that don't exist - that's what the internet is for....my God, BV you're trying to bring the whole world crashing down!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:52 pm 
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The thing is, you’re just over egging the pudding. Not content with bagging Bolton, you’re now just including everyone.

Eg we’ve managed 55k members whilst enduring one of our worst seasons ever. From the little I know about member retention, that seems a pretty good effort.

If it’s all so incompetent, why are all our quality kids re-signing? Wouldn’t they be clambering to get out?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:11 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Brently8 wrote:
Compare our list this year to Clarko and Hardwick's list in their 3rd year. They had far superior lists, much more quality and experience, mature bodies and an incredible run with injuries.

Add this to a club that had the lowest footy department spend in the entire competition, a rookie CEO coming on board and the football manager 'resigning' half way through the season.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.



our club is a mess and riddled with incompetence from top to bottom. bolton included. no one gets a pass. trying to credit the proper amount of blame on any one person or department when we are this glaringly bad, is the equivalent of herding cats.

if you judge bolton on his gameday product he still fails. the skills and effort this season has been a fail and the players at times look so lost and incapable of any gameplan. this is coaching.


... but, the club has totally screwed bolton over by thinking because we're reseting, there's no need to spend money on departments. development, scouting, recruiting, injury prevention and rehab etc ... bringing in rookie CEO's and a pres who are all about business, and less about football acumen, will obviously do that.

as a club we lack quality people (at the top) with intelligent football brains.


No offence, but how would you know?
The membership or marketing or Corporate Marketing department may be working far better than previously. How would you know?
How do you know the President has less football acumen than any other Presidents? It looks like a lot of guess work to me. The trouble with these posts is others cling to the opinion as it has some form of fact attached to it. Then we get posters coming up with solutions to a problem that may well not exist!

Does Hawthorn have people at the top with intelligent football brains? How about the Bulldogs? Kangaroos? Sydney?


I think you're doing more guesswork denying it. in an on field results driven business, cfc are not getting results and have not for 20 years.

Fact: cfc invested the least money of all clubs into its football departments. it isn't footy intelligence to not spend money on football departments. for 20 years who would argue that we've been the league worst with recruiting, drafting, development, injury prevention & rehab?

fact: rookie coach; rookie president; rookie CEO. A fossil of a footy operations manager that was in over his head for how ever many years he had his job; and a list manager who's previous experience was the very unique job of building an expansion team from zero ... where's the experience (or competence) here?

Eddie Betts. I heard it straight out of his mouth; he didn't know what hit him when he went to adelaide. "So, this is what a real football is like. ok?" He then went and talked about the professionalism and training methods and the expectation at adelaide is like nothing he ever saw at cfc.


it's like sheesh, bv. when are you going to wake up and actually admit we are literally the worst team in the history of the afl?


with all of our club's braintrust & resources chasing 55k in memberships, they've abandoned the on field product. Business over football acumen.

womens, mens wooden spoons and the ressies not far from it either.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:10 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Brently8 wrote:
Compare our list this year to Clarko and Hardwick's list in their 3rd year. They had far superior lists, much more quality and experience, mature bodies and an incredible run with injuries.

Add this to a club that had the lowest footy department spend in the entire competition, a rookie CEO coming on board and the football manager 'resigning' half way through the season.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.



our club is a mess and riddled with incompetence from top to bottom. bolton included. no one gets a pass. trying to credit the proper amount of blame on any one person or department when we are this glaringly bad, is the equivalent of herding cats.

if you judge bolton on his gameday product he still fails. the skills and effort this season has been a fail and the players at times look so lost and incapable of any gameplan. this is coaching.


... but, the club has totally screwed bolton over by thinking because we're reseting, there's no need to spend money on departments. development, scouting, recruiting, injury prevention and rehab etc ... bringing in rookie CEO's and a pres who are all about business, and less about football acumen, will obviously do that.

as a club we lack quality people (at the top) with intelligent football brains.


No offence, but how would you know?
The membership or marketing or Corporate Marketing department may be working far better than previously. How would you know?
How do you know the President has less football acumen than any other Presidents? It looks like a lot of guess work to me. The trouble with these posts is others cling to the opinion as it has some form of fact attached to it. Then we get posters coming up with solutions to a problem that may well not exist!

Does Hawthorn have people at the top with intelligent football brains? How about the Bulldogs? Kangaroos? Sydney?


I think you're doing more guesswork denying it. in an on field results driven business, cfc are not getting results and have not for 20 years.

Fact: cfc invested the least money of all clubs into its football departments. it isn't footy intelligence to not spend money on football departments. for 20 years who would argue that we've been the league worst with recruiting, drafting, development, injury prevention & rehab?

fact: rookie coach; rookie president; rookie CEO. A fossil of a footy operations manager that was in over his head for how ever many years he had his job; and a list manager who's previous experience was the very unique job of building an expansion team from zero ... where's the experience (or competence) here?

Eddie Betts. I heard it straight out of his mouth; he didn't know what hit him when he went to adelaide. "So, this is what a real football is like. ok?" He then went and talked about the professionalism and training methods and the expectation at adelaide is like nothing he ever saw at cfc.


it's like sheesh, bv. when are you going to wake up and actually admit we are literally the worst team in the history of the afl?


with all of our club's braintrust & resources chasing 55k in memberships, they've abandoned the on field product. Business over football acumen.

womens, mens wooden spoons and the ressies not far from it either.


Forget the last 20 years. This administration can only be judged on the past few years.
Recruiting- Far from the worst in the past few years. In fact, I'd suggest we've done very well. Cripps and Charlie are both players taken outside the top 10 yet I'd suggest they'll be top 10 players in the AFL within the next 2 years. Add Fisher, Williamson as later picks, Dow and O'Brien are impressive picks from the top 10 and I still have high hopes for SPS, Harry, Macreadie, Cuningham etc. I believe our drafting has been as good as most.

The fossil of a football operations manager was as qualified as most to do the job.
As for the President, he isn't a great media performer but he's the best thing to happen to our club in years IMHO.
We've spent decades trying to rort the system and take shortcuts. For the first time in living memory, we've had the guts to fully rebuild the playing list and take the long term option. Lots of people have shown they dont have the guts to see it through (including plenty of supporters) but I give him credit for having the courage to see it through.

I know others disagree but I know how difficult it is to manage a team decimated by injury. All indicators show the teams who are impacted by injuries to their better players will struggle. They are the facts. Anything other than that is emotive and uninformed gossip IMO.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:23 pm 
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“This club is a second home to me and the friends I’ve made at Carlton are like family, so I never had any intention to leave,” Cripps said.

“The support the Club has given me since I arrived has been exceptional and I want to repay the belief they’ve shown in me over the past five years.

“We’ve got a great group of coaches at the Blues and I know my game will continue to improve under ‘Bolts’. He’s had a huge, positive impact on my career as well as my teammates.

“You play football to achieve team success, and as a group, we’re committed to putting in the hard work to get the results. In spite of some challenging realities on-field this season, we’re a very tight-knit group and I’ve never been more determined to help this side achieve the ultimate success soon.”


Get with the program Crippa. Other teams/good. Bolton/Bad :grin:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:33 pm 
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you've got 3 years Bolts


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:25 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Brently8 wrote:
Compare our list this year to Clarko and Hardwick's list in their 3rd year. They had far superior lists, much more quality and experience, mature bodies and an incredible run with injuries.

Add this to a club that had the lowest footy department spend in the entire competition, a rookie CEO coming on board and the football manager 'resigning' half way through the season.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.



our club is a mess and riddled with incompetence from top to bottom. bolton included. no one gets a pass. trying to credit the proper amount of blame on any one person or department when we are this glaringly bad, is the equivalent of herding cats.

if you judge bolton on his gameday product he still fails. the skills and effort this season has been a fail and the players at times look so lost and incapable of any gameplan. this is coaching.


... but, the club has totally screwed bolton over by thinking because we're reseting, there's no need to spend money on departments. development, scouting, recruiting, injury prevention and rehab etc ... bringing in rookie CEO's and a pres who are all about business, and less about football acumen, will obviously do that.

as a club we lack quality people (at the top) with intelligent football brains.


No offence, but how would you know?
The membership or marketing or Corporate Marketing department may be working far better than previously. How would you know?
How do you know the President has less football acumen than any other Presidents? It looks like a lot of guess work to me. The trouble with these posts is others cling to the opinion as it has some form of fact attached to it. Then we get posters coming up with solutions to a problem that may well not exist!

Does Hawthorn have people at the top with intelligent football brains? How about the Bulldogs? Kangaroos? Sydney?


I think you're doing more guesswork denying it. in an on field results driven business, cfc are not getting results and have not for 20 years.

Fact: cfc invested the least money of all clubs into its football departments. it isn't footy intelligence to not spend money on football departments. for 20 years who would argue that we've been the league worst with recruiting, drafting, development, injury prevention & rehab?

fact: rookie coach; rookie president; rookie CEO. A fossil of a footy operations manager that was in over his head for how ever many years he had his job; and a list manager who's previous experience was the very unique job of building an expansion team from zero ... where's the experience (or competence) here?

Eddie Betts. I heard it straight out of his mouth; he didn't know what hit him when he went to adelaide. "So, this is what a real football is like. ok?" He then went and talked about the professionalism and training methods and the expectation at adelaide is like nothing he ever saw at cfc.


it's like sheesh, bv. when are you going to wake up and actually admit we are literally the worst team in the history of the afl?


with all of our club's braintrust & resources chasing 55k in memberships, they've abandoned the on field product. Business over football acumen.

womens, mens wooden spoons and the ressies not far from it either.


we should really stick our players in a bus and make them listen to the richmond theme song more often


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:25 pm 
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Credit where due - well done Bolts. Great to have him on board.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:47 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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“This club is a second home to me and the friends I’ve made at Carlton are like family, so I never had any intention to leave,” Cripps said.

“The support the Club has given me since I arrived has been exceptional and I want to repay the belief they’ve shown in me over the past five years.

“We’ve got a great group of coaches at the Blues and I know my game will continue to improve under ‘Bolts’. He’s had a huge, positive impact on my career as well as my teammates.

“You play football to achieve team success, and as a group, we’re committed to putting in the hard work to get the results. In spite of some challenging realities on-field this season, we’re a very tight-knit group and I’ve never been more determined to help this side achieve the ultimate success soon.”


Get with the program Crippa. Other teams/good. Bolton/Bad :grin:


What the heck would Patrick know? I mean just because he's down at the club most of the week and actually knows what its like there, what the mood of the players is etc etc etc.

He needs to read more TC posts!

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Blue Vain wrote:
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“This club is a second home to me and the friends I’ve made at Carlton are like family, so I never had any intention to leave,” Cripps said.

“The support the Club has given me since I arrived has been exceptional and I want to repay the belief they’ve shown in me over the past five years.

“We’ve got a great group of coaches at the Blues and I know my game will continue to improve under ‘Bolts’. He’s had a huge, positive impact on my career as well as my teammates.

“You play football to achieve team success, and as a group, we’re committed to putting in the hard work to get the results. In spite of some challenging realities on-field this season, we’re a very tight-knit group and I’ve never been more determined to help this side achieve the ultimate success soon.”


Get with the program Crippa. Other teams/good. Bolton/Bad :grin:


Doesn't really sound like a coach who's lost the players does it?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:11 pm 
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doofdoof wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Brently8 wrote:
Compare our list this year to Clarko and Hardwick's list in their 3rd year. They had far superior lists, much more quality and experience, mature bodies and an incredible run with injuries.

Add this to a club that had the lowest footy department spend in the entire competition, a rookie CEO coming on board and the football manager 'resigning' half way through the season.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.



our club is a mess and riddled with incompetence from top to bottom. bolton included. no one gets a pass. trying to credit the proper amount of blame on any one person or department when we are this glaringly bad, is the equivalent of herding cats.

if you judge bolton on his gameday product he still fails. the skills and effort this season has been a fail and the players at times look so lost and incapable of any gameplan. this is coaching.


... but, the club has totally screwed bolton over by thinking because we're reseting, there's no need to spend money on departments. development, scouting, recruiting, injury prevention and rehab etc ... bringing in rookie CEO's and a pres who are all about business, and less about football acumen, will obviously do that.

as a club we lack quality people (at the top) with intelligent football brains.


No offence, but how would you know?
The membership or marketing or Corporate Marketing department may be working far better than previously. How would you know?
How do you know the President has less football acumen than any other Presidents? It looks like a lot of guess work to me. The trouble with these posts is others cling to the opinion as it has some form of fact attached to it. Then we get posters coming up with solutions to a problem that may well not exist!

Does Hawthorn have people at the top with intelligent football brains? How about the Bulldogs? Kangaroos? Sydney?


I think you're doing more guesswork denying it. in an on field results driven business, cfc are not getting results and have not for 20 years.

Fact: cfc invested the least money of all clubs into its football departments. it isn't footy intelligence to not spend money on football departments. for 20 years who would argue that we've been the league worst with recruiting, drafting, development, injury prevention & rehab?

fact: rookie coach; rookie president; rookie CEO. A fossil of a footy operations manager that was in over his head for how ever many years he had his job; and a list manager who's previous experience was the very unique job of building an expansion team from zero ... where's the experience (or competence) here?

Eddie Betts. I heard it straight out of his mouth; he didn't know what hit him when he went to adelaide. "So, this is what a real football is like. ok?" He then went and talked about the professionalism and training methods and the expectation at adelaide is like nothing he ever saw at cfc.


it's like sheesh, bv. when are you going to wake up and actually admit we are literally the worst team in the history of the afl?


with all of our club's braintrust & resources chasing 55k in memberships, they've abandoned the on field product. Business over football acumen.

womens, mens wooden spoons and the ressies not far from it either.


we should really stick our players in a bus and make them listen to the richmond theme song more often


:lol:
That worked well.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:23 pm 
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Great news but lets be honest, this kid is a self starter and Bolton is lucky to have him prop him up.
This kid would be a success under anyone.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:45 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:

Forget the last 20 years. This administration can only be judged on the past few years.
Recruiting- Far from the worst in the past few years. In fact, I'd suggest we've done very well. Cripps and Charlie are both players taken outside the top 10 yet I'd suggest they'll be top 10 players in the AFL within the next 2 years. Add Fisher, Williamson as later picks, Dow and O'Brien are impressive picks from the top 10 and I still have high hopes for SPS, Harry, Macreadie, Cuningham etc. I believe our drafting has been as good as most.

The fossil of a football operations manager was as qualified as most to do the job.
As for the President, he isn't a great media performer but he's the best thing to happen to our club in years IMHO.
We've spent decades trying to rort the system and take shortcuts. For the first time in living memory, we've had the guts to fully rebuild the playing list and take the long term option. Lots of people have shown they dont have the guts to see it through (including plenty of supporters) but I give him credit for having the courage to see it through.

I know others disagree but I know how difficult it is to manage a team decimated by injury. All indicators show the teams who are impacted by injuries to their better players will struggle. They are the facts. Anything other than that is emotive and uninformed gossip IMO.



the drafting has been excellent, imo. the recruiting has been poor. and i agree, the one positive about this hot mess we're in, at least the guys making the decisions have the guts to see this thing through.


my gut still tells me there's much more than just injuries going on with the club. the women were touted, but flubbed badly, and they didn't have any significant injuries (off the top of my head?). the PR around the priority pick was a mess (and still is!), our injury count & rehab has been diabolical. not spending money on footy departments, those chickens are coming home to roost, huh?



* good news about cripps... the kid is special. we're lucky to have him. i can't imagine where this club would be right now if we didn't.


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Great news but lets be honest, this kid is a self starter and Bolton is lucky to have him prop him up.
This kid would be a success under anyone.


Ok, got it.

Player successful = self starter/success under anyone
Player unsuccessful = Boltons fault.

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Braithy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:

Forget the last 20 years. This administration can only be judged on the past few years.
Recruiting- Far from the worst in the past few years. In fact, I'd suggest we've done very well. Cripps and Charlie are both players taken outside the top 10 yet I'd suggest they'll be top 10 players in the AFL within the next 2 years. Add Fisher, Williamson as later picks, Dow and O'Brien are impressive picks from the top 10 and I still have high hopes for SPS, Harry, Macreadie, Cuningham etc. I believe our drafting has been as good as most.

The fossil of a football operations manager was as qualified as most to do the job.
As for the President, he isn't a great media performer but he's the best thing to happen to our club in years IMHO.
We've spent decades trying to rort the system and take shortcuts. For the first time in living memory, we've had the guts to fully rebuild the playing list and take the long term option. Lots of people have shown they dont have the guts to see it through (including plenty of supporters) but I give him credit for having the courage to see it through.

I know others disagree but I know how difficult it is to manage a team decimated by injury. All indicators show the teams who are impacted by injuries to their better players will struggle. They are the facts. Anything other than that is emotive and uninformed gossip IMO.



the drafting has been excellent, imo. the recruiting has been poor. and i agree, the one positive about this hot mess we're in, at least the guys making the decisions have the guts to see this thing through.


my gut still tells me there's much more than just injuries going on with the club. the women were touted, but flubbed badly, and they didn't have any significant injuries (off the top of my head?). the PR around the priority pick was a mess (and still is!), our injury count & rehab has been diabolical. not spending money on footy departments, those chickens are coming home to roost, huh?



* good news about cripps... the kid is special. we're lucky to have him. i can't imagine where this club would be right now if we didn't.


Huh????

Not even 12 hours ago you said

“our club is a mess and riddled with incompetence from top to bottom. bolton included. no one gets a pass.”

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:16 am 
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AIRCAV wrote:

Huh????

Not even 12 hours ago you said

“our club is a mess and riddled with incompetence from top to bottom. bolton included. no one gets a pass.”



with all due respect, mate. only an idiot would argue anything different, yeah?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:27 am 
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So the bloke who said “the drafting has been excellent” is an idiot. Got it.

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