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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:08 pm 
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Like Blueboy and Don, I have to stick up for Bolts on the Mitchell decision. That guy is by far the most overrated player in the league, his possession stats are meaningless. I've watched games where the breathless Ch 7 commentators let us know that he is now on 30... 35... 40... 42... 46 POSSESSIONS WOWEE, and I'm scratching my head trying to remember any of them.



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So the umpires are now the arbiter of how influential a player is?

Plenty of other, shock, successful coaches also haven’t tagged Mitchell.

It’s hardly the silver billet of proof that you’re looking for.


I don't think Mitchell is the game-changing superstar his stats show, but they use him as the deliverer of the footy with his give-get-give-get trademark possession style.

Putting pressure on that would've been handy.


Most of his countless disposals aren't actually legal disposals either. Spends a lot of time shovelling and throwing the ball out of scrimmages. He can play. But the SuperCoach obsession with statistics from commentators and journalists is irritating.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:42 pm 
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Something that does my head in - dinky handballs under no pressure to team mates in a worse position

why ???


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:20 pm 
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Something that does my head in - dinky handballs under no pressure to team mates in a worse position

why ???


Because injuries :razz:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:26 pm 
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All coaches have someone outside the bubble they go to for council. Whoever's talking to Bolton must tell him to address the basic fundamentals before getting into the theoretical stuff.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:31 pm 
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@#$%&! - if we have to wait for someone to tell our head coach this, we're in even more trouble than I thought :yikes:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:39 pm 
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You would think it's an obvious thing to do... but there's not much evidence of it


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:13 pm 
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Might need to rivert to Jezza's tactic "if you receive a handpass you have to kick it"
Under no circumstances 2 hand passes in a row

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:26 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Might need to rivert to Jezza's tactic "if you receive a handpass you have to kick it"
Under no circumstances 2 hand passes in a row

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Not sure the Tiges or Pies subscribe to this theory.....


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:39 pm 
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All coaches have someone outside the bubble they go to for council.


Personally, I go for Manningham.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:01 pm 
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Compare our list this year to Clarko and Hardwick's list in their 3rd year. They had far superior lists, much more quality and experience, mature bodies and an incredible run with injuries.

Hawthorn had Lewis, Mitchell, Hodge, Crawford, Sewell, Birchall, Guerra, McGlynn, Brown, Buddy, Joel Smith, Croad, Osborne, Roughead, Dixon, and Bateman. They had Clinton Young have the best year of his career, pre injuries. They still had leadership in the form of ex captain Vandenberg on the list. They had mature age roleplayers in Gilham, Ladson, Boyle, Taylor and Campbell. Taylor and Campbell played all 24 games and had over 700 hitouts between them. Buddy, Roughead and Boyle kicked 150 goals between them.

On top of all that they had a charmed run with injuries. Lewis, Mitchell, Hodge, Crawford, Sewell, Birchall, Guerra, Ladson, Young, McGlynn, Bateman, Brown, Gilham, Buddy, Croad, Campbell, Taylor, Roughead and Boyle missed a grand total of 24 games between the 19 of them for the entire season, including finals.

They added Cyril, Whitecross and Dew in the off season. We all know what Cyril and Dew did the following September.

Richmond in Hardwick's 3rd season had Cotchin, Deledio, Tuck, Grigg, Houli, Rance, Newman, Nahas, Reiwoldt, Morris, Maric, Ellis, Dusty, Edwards, Jackson, Conca, Grimes, Dea, Foley, King, Miller and Griffiths. Reiwoldt and Nahas kicked 100 goals between them.

Cotchin, Deledio, Tuck, Grigg, Houli, Dusty, Rance, Newman, Edwards, Jackson, Conca, Nahas, Reiwoldt, Morris, Ellis and Maric missed a total of 14 games between the 16 of them for the season.

They added Chaplin, Vlaustin and McIntosh in that off season.

Our top 19 players for games played this season have missed 54 games already and they don't include Kennedy who's missed - 7 of 17, Casboult - 7 of 17, Murphy - 9 of 17, Marchbank - 10 of 17, Lang - 11 of 17, Pickett - 13 of 17, Byrne - 15 of 17, plus Docherty, Williamson, Alex Silvagni and Macreadie that haven't played a single game.

We have 9 players on our list with over 100 games. Of those 9, Thomas, Murphy, Kreuzer and Wright have bodies that are cooked. Shaw and Casboult probably wouldn't get a game in any other team. That leaves a 34 year old Simmo, Ed Curnow and Jones who's played probably 25 senior games in his position. Our other players 27+ are Phillips who cant string 5 games together, Lobbe who had played 3 senior games of AFL footy in 820 days prior to Sunday, Rowe and Silvagni who are finished.

Add this to a club that had the lowest footy department spend in the entire competition, a rookie CEO coming on board and the football manager 'resigning' half way through the season.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:05 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Rexy wrote:
All coaches have someone outside the bubble they go to for council.


Personally, I go for Manningham.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:07 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Something that does my head in - dinky handballs under no pressure to team mates in a worse position

why ???


Malthouse :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:20 pm 
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Brently8 wrote:
Compare our list this year to Clarko and Hardwick's list in their 3rd year. They had far superior lists, much more quality and experience, mature bodies and an incredible run with injuries.

Hawthorn had Lewis, Mitchell, Hodge, Crawford, Sewell, Birchall, Guerra, McGlynn, Brown, Buddy, Joel Smith, Croad, Osborne, Roughead, Dixon, and Bateman. They had Clinton Young have the best year of his career, pre injuries. They still had leadership in the form of ex captain Vandenberg on the list. They had mature age roleplayers in Gilham, Ladson, Boyle, Taylor and Campbell. Taylor and Campbell played all 24 games and had over 700 hitouts between them. Buddy, Roughead and Boyle kicked 150 goals between them.

On top of all that they had a charmed run with injuries. Lewis, Mitchell, Hodge, Crawford, Sewell, Birchall, Guerra, Ladson, Young, McGlynn, Bateman, Brown, Gilham, Buddy, Croad, Campbell, Taylor, Roughead and Boyle missed a grand total of 24 games between the 19 of them for the entire season, including finals.

They added Cyril, Whitecross and Dew in the off season. We all know what Cyril and Dew did the following September.

Richmond in Hardwick's 3rd season had Cotchin, Deledio, Tuck, Grigg, Houli, Rance, Newman, Nahas, Reiwoldt, Morris, Maric, Ellis, Dusty, Edwards, Jackson, Conca, Grimes, Dea, Foley, King, Miller and Griffiths. Reiwoldt and Nahas kicked 100 goals between them.

Cotchin, Deledio, Tuck, Grigg, Houli, Dusty, Rance, Newman, Edwards, Jackson, Conca, Nahas, Reiwoldt, Morris, Ellis and Maric missed a total of 14 games between the 16 of them for the season.

They added Chaplin, Vlaustin and McIntosh in that off season.

Our top 19 players for games played this season have missed 54 games already and they don't include Kennedy who's missed - 7 of 17, Casboult - 7 of 17, Murphy - 9 of 17, Marchbank - 10 of 17, Lang - 11 of 17, Pickett - 13 of 17, Byrne - 15 of 17, plus Docherty, Williamson, Alex Silvagni and Macreadie that haven't played a single game.

We have 9 players on our list with over 100 games. Of those 9, Thomas, Murphy, Kreuzer and Wright have bodies that are cooked. Shaw and Casboult probably wouldn't get a game in any other team. That leaves a 34 year old Simmo, Ed Curnow and Jones who's played probably 25 senior games in his position. Our other players 27+ are Phillips who cant string 5 games together, Lobbe who had played 3 senior games of AFL footy in 820 days prior to Sunday, Rowe and Silvagni who are finished.

Add this to a club that had the lowest footy department spend in the entire competition, a rookie CEO coming on board and the football manager 'resigning' half way through the season.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.


:clap: :thumbsup:

Too much common sense and facts for some on here though.

Haven't you heard, it's only about how many games we have won (even if we only had 1 player left at the club).


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:52 pm 
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Brently8 wrote:
Compare our list this year to Clarko and Hardwick's list in their 3rd year. They had far superior lists, much more quality and experience, mature bodies and an incredible run with injuries.

Hawthorn had Lewis, Mitchell, Hodge, Crawford, Sewell, Birchall, Guerra, McGlynn, Brown, Buddy, Joel Smith, Croad, Osborne, Roughead, Dixon, and Bateman. They had Clinton Young have the best year of his career, pre injuries. They still had leadership in the form of ex captain Vandenberg on the list. They had mature age roleplayers in Gilham, Ladson, Boyle, Taylor and Campbell. Taylor and Campbell played all 24 games and had over 700 hitouts between them. Buddy, Roughead and Boyle kicked 150 goals between them.

On top of all that they had a charmed run with injuries. Lewis, Mitchell, Hodge, Crawford, Sewell, Birchall, Guerra, Ladson, Young, McGlynn, Bateman, Brown, Gilham, Buddy, Croad, Campbell, Taylor, Roughead and Boyle missed a grand total of 24 games between the 19 of them for the entire season, including finals.

They added Cyril, Whitecross and Dew in the off season. We all know what Cyril and Dew did the following September.

Richmond in Hardwick's 3rd season had Cotchin, Deledio, Tuck, Grigg, Houli, Rance, Newman, Nahas, Reiwoldt, Morris, Maric, Ellis, Dusty, Edwards, Jackson, Conca, Grimes, Dea, Foley, King, Miller and Griffiths. Reiwoldt and Nahas kicked 100 goals between them.

Cotchin, Deledio, Tuck, Grigg, Houli, Dusty, Rance, Newman, Edwards, Jackson, Conca, Nahas, Reiwoldt, Morris, Ellis and Maric missed a total of 14 games between the 16 of them for the season.

They added Chaplin, Vlaustin and McIntosh in that off season.

Our top 19 players for games played this season have missed 54 games already and they don't include Kennedy who's missed - 7 of 17, Casboult - 7 of 17, Murphy - 9 of 17, Marchbank - 10 of 17, Lang - 11 of 17, Pickett - 13 of 17, Byrne - 15 of 17, plus Docherty, Williamson, Alex Silvagni and Macreadie that haven't played a single game.

We have 9 players on our list with over 100 games. Of those 9, Thomas, Murphy, Kreuzer and Wright have bodies that are cooked. Shaw and Casboult probably wouldn't get a game in any other team. That leaves a 34 year old Simmo, Ed Curnow and Jones who's played probably 25 senior games in his position. Our other players 27+ are Phillips who cant string 5 games together, Lobbe who had played 3 senior games of AFL footy in 820 days prior to Sunday, Rowe and Silvagni who are finished.

Add this to a club that had the lowest footy department spend in the entire competition, a rookie CEO coming on board and the football manager 'resigning' half way through the season.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:45 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
Brently8 wrote:
Compare our list this year to Clarko and Hardwick's list in their 3rd year. They had far superior lists, much more quality and experience, mature bodies and an incredible run with injuries.

Hawthorn had Lewis, Mitchell, Hodge, Crawford, Sewell, Birchall, Guerra, McGlynn, Brown, Buddy, Joel Smith, Croad, Osborne, Roughead, Dixon, and Bateman. They had Clinton Young have the best year of his career, pre injuries. They still had leadership in the form of ex captain Vandenberg on the list. They had mature age roleplayers in Gilham, Ladson, Boyle, Taylor and Campbell. Taylor and Campbell played all 24 games and had over 700 hitouts between them. Buddy, Roughead and Boyle kicked 150 goals between them.

On top of all that they had a charmed run with injuries. Lewis, Mitchell, Hodge, Crawford, Sewell, Birchall, Guerra, Ladson, Young, McGlynn, Bateman, Brown, Gilham, Buddy, Croad, Campbell, Taylor, Roughead and Boyle missed a grand total of 24 games between the 19 of them for the entire season, including finals.

They added Cyril, Whitecross and Dew in the off season. We all know what Cyril and Dew did the following September.

Richmond in Hardwick's 3rd season had Cotchin, Deledio, Tuck, Grigg, Houli, Rance, Newman, Nahas, Reiwoldt, Morris, Maric, Ellis, Dusty, Edwards, Jackson, Conca, Grimes, Dea, Foley, King, Miller and Griffiths. Reiwoldt and Nahas kicked 100 goals between them.

Cotchin, Deledio, Tuck, Grigg, Houli, Dusty, Rance, Newman, Edwards, Jackson, Conca, Nahas, Reiwoldt, Morris, Ellis and Maric missed a total of 14 games between the 16 of them for the season.

They added Chaplin, Vlaustin and McIntosh in that off season.

Our top 19 players for games played this season have missed 54 games already and they don't include Kennedy who's missed - 7 of 17, Casboult - 7 of 17, Murphy - 9 of 17, Marchbank - 10 of 17, Lang - 11 of 17, Pickett - 13 of 17, Byrne - 15 of 17, plus Docherty, Williamson, Alex Silvagni and Macreadie that haven't played a single game.

We have 9 players on our list with over 100 games. Of those 9, Thomas, Murphy, Kreuzer and Wright have bodies that are cooked. Shaw and Casboult probably wouldn't get a game in any other team. That leaves a 34 year old Simmo, Ed Curnow and Jones who's played probably 25 senior games in his position. Our other players 27+ are Phillips who cant string 5 games together, Lobbe who had played 3 senior games of AFL footy in 820 days prior to Sunday, Rowe and Silvagni who are finished.

Add this to a club that had the lowest footy department spend in the entire competition, a rookie CEO coming on board and the football manager 'resigning' half way through the season.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:34 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:28 am 
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Brently8 wrote:
Compare our list this year to Clarko and Hardwick's list in their 3rd year. They had far superior lists, much more quality and experience, mature bodies and an incredible run with injuries.

Add this to a club that had the lowest footy department spend in the entire competition, a rookie CEO coming on board and the football manager 'resigning' half way through the season.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.



our club is a mess and riddled with incompetence from top to bottom. bolton included. no one gets a pass. trying to credit the proper amount of blame on any one person or department when we are this glaringly bad, is the equivalent of herding cats.

if you judge bolton on his gameday product he still fails. the skills and effort this season has been a fail and the players at times look so lost and incapable of any gameplan. this is coaching.


... but, the club has totally screwed bolton over by thinking because we're reseting, there's no need to spend money on departments. development, scouting, recruiting, injury prevention and rehab etc ... bringing in rookie CEO's and a pres who are all about business, and less about football acumen, will obviously do that.

as a club we lack quality people (at the top) with intelligent football brains.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:40 am 
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Braithy wrote:
Brently8 wrote:
Compare our list this year to Clarko and Hardwick's list in their 3rd year. They had far superior lists, much more quality and experience, mature bodies and an incredible run with injuries.

Add this to a club that had the lowest footy department spend in the entire competition, a rookie CEO coming on board and the football manager 'resigning' half way through the season.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.



our club is a mess and riddled with incompetence from top to bottom. bolton included. no one gets a pass. trying to credit the proper amount of blame on any one person or department when we are this glaringly bad, is the equivalent of herding cats.

if you judge bolton on his gameday product he still fails. the skills and effort this season has been a fail and the players at times look so lost and incapable of any gameplan. this is coaching.


... but, the club has totally screwed bolton over by thinking because we're reseting, there's no need to spend money on departments. development, scouting, recruiting, injury prevention and rehab etc ... bringing in rookie CEO's and a pres who are all about business, and less about football acumen, will obviously do that.

as a club we lack quality people (at the top) with intelligent football brains.


Interesting point. Not sure that that that is necessarily a key quality of a President. Our past President is a case in point. Leadership has many elements with one key element getting the right people in the right positions. That is always one of the biggest challenges in any organisation. It is quite clear that we have not done that particularly well over the past 20 years.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:44 am 
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Braithy wrote:
Brently8 wrote:
Compare our list this year to Clarko and Hardwick's list in their 3rd year. They had far superior lists, much more quality and experience, mature bodies and an incredible run with injuries.

Add this to a club that had the lowest footy department spend in the entire competition, a rookie CEO coming on board and the football manager 'resigning' half way through the season.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.



our club is a mess and riddled with incompetence from top to bottom. bolton included. no one gets a pass. trying to credit the proper amount of blame on any one person or department when we are this glaringly bad, is the equivalent of herding cats.

if you judge bolton on his gameday product he still fails. the skills and effort this season has been a fail and the players at times look so lost and incapable of any gameplan. this is coaching.


... but, the club has totally screwed bolton over by thinking because we're reseting, there's no need to spend money on departments. development, scouting, recruiting, injury prevention and rehab etc ... bringing in rookie CEO's and a pres who are all about business, and less about football acumen, will obviously do that.

as a club we lack quality people (at the top) with intelligent football brains.


That is the job of the Head of Football, do you believe that Macca resigned voluntarily?

Most important appointment at the club and if we get it right, things will turn quickly.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:54 am 
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Steve_C7 wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Brently8 wrote:
Compare our list this year to Clarko and Hardwick's list in their 3rd year. They had far superior lists, much more quality and experience, mature bodies and an incredible run with injuries.

Add this to a club that had the lowest footy department spend in the entire competition, a rookie CEO coming on board and the football manager 'resigning' half way through the season.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.



our club is a mess and riddled with incompetence from top to bottom. bolton included. no one gets a pass. trying to credit the proper amount of blame on any one person or department when we are this glaringly bad, is the equivalent of herding cats.

if you judge bolton on his gameday product he still fails. the skills and effort this season has been a fail and the players at times look so lost and incapable of any gameplan. this is coaching.


... but, the club has totally screwed bolton over by thinking because we're reseting, there's no need to spend money on departments. development, scouting, recruiting, injury prevention and rehab etc ... bringing in rookie CEO's and a pres who are all about business, and less about football acumen, will obviously do that.

as a club we lack quality people (at the top) with intelligent football brains.


That is the job of the Head of Football, do you believe that Macca resigned voluntarily?

Most important appointment at the club and if we get it right, things will turn quickly.


I hope that the handling of the Trigg exit doesn't come back to bite us re the quality of candidates for the HoF position.

You'd have to be a little wary of working under our board.


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