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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:03 pm 
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Jones should have been forward then shifted to the ruck .Just like Rowe did.
Rowe should have been kept back.

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Are you agreeing with yourself here SB? :lol:

I would’ve moved Jones forward also, but he did a great job as the defensive interceptor, so maybe the decision was right.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:15 pm 
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The problem wasn't who was playing where.
The problem was we changed the way we played in the first half.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:37 pm 
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Liam Jones. Season high intercept possessions.
Sam Rowe, We won more centre clearances than Collingwood did when he was in the ruck. The outcome tells me Bolton was right and you're wrong.
We lost
Know he wasn't right
He went the safety route


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:01 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Liam Jones. Season high intercept possessions.
Sam Rowe, We won more centre clearances than Collingwood did when he was in the ruck. The outcome tells me Bolton was right and you're wrong.
We lost
Know he wasn't right
He went the safety route


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From all your posts we don’t know if Bolts is any good or not, so we should sack him.

The amount of good football played by those who have left in that period is very minimal, so minimal in fact only 7 of the 42 moved on are still on AFL lists (Gibbs, Hendo, Tuohy, Holman, Gowers, Buckley and Tom Bell)

The last 4 wouldn’t be of any use to us now really (maybe Gowers but that’s pushing it) and the first 3 we got very good returns on, plus Hendo was going regardless.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:49 pm 
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redback, I know what you're saying but two less rotations - might that have influenced how we played the second half?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:03 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
redback, I know what you're saying but two less rotations - might that have influenced how we played the second half?


I was surprised (and elated) we didn't over possess the footy and started to play fast and to great affect.
Simple and good footy which made our players look fast and skillful adding that with the intent shown we didn't look as bad as we have all year.
Cripps took the initiative twice to go through the middle yesterday both times resulting in a goal. We gave our forwards a chance in an open forward line and the opposition looked slow and couldn't defend the break.
Where has that been all year? Regardless of injuries or personnel our young group would benefit greatly in confidence and be assured in there own skill and personal strength if they were allowed to play this way.
Then Bolton can work on each players individual strength and weakness as time goes on.
Then much of second half we went back to drab footy and that is where we didn't give ourselves a chance to win. That would have been the perfect opportunity to have to players push through the pain and exhaustion when we have less rotations.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:10 pm 
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so your mind is made up then re Bolts?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:16 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Old Carlton - wins
New Carlton - Losses

why would anyone be critical of someone wanting the Old Carlton back

Maybe the Old Carlton had it right and the New Carlton has it horribly wrong

We gave Pagan 5 years
we gave Ratten 5 years
We gave Malthouse 3 years
Giving someone time can make matters worse

Jezza had eighteen months first up - did nothing when he came back and club legend booted 76 games 53 wins
Perc 1 year 24 games 17 wins
Parkin 5 years first up and won two flags
Walls 4 years 1 flag and runner up 84 games 55 wins
Nichols had 4 years
Brittain 2 years despite a better win loss ratio than Bolton

But lets give Bolton 5 years and assess


To have a go at someone for wanting the Old back is laughable at best
Unless you find pleasure in losing all the time

Lets just do this because they are doing it over there and it worked for them

Nice summary DB but you can twist any story to suit your argument
remember a lot of those missing player were there last year and we won 6 games


The old Carlton? 2002-2007? Or the Malthouse years? Which old Carlton?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:21 pm 
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I think he might mean pre 2001

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:54 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
so your mind is made up then re Bolts?


You can't accept or see the difference in the team with our contrasting style of play?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:58 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
so your mind is made up then re Bolts?

Do not concern yourself with his constant, irrelevant rants, no help for the uneducated1


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:12 pm 
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I can see that we play differently, at times both in games and between games. I can understand there are reasons for this; some I think I might know and others I know i do not know...but I sense from your tone that you feel Bolts is not the right person, while I think he is learning and growing with the group and that whatever coach he may be, he isn't yet simply because he does not yet have the list.

But what I do see are the youngsters developing. I see moments when it comes together and then I see the mistakes that break the momentum of those moments. I see injuries forcing changes. I see players struggling at times because they lack either a) our kids - experience or b) some of our discards or players who have been on the list a while - talent.

As the A group gain the experience (and are added to) to take control from the B group I think we will get a lot better - fast. But we are not there yet, and I think none of us really think we should be yet.

I trust Bolts is trying to steer the course between the needs of the kids, the club, the list, the media and so forth.

Does he always get it right? Who does? I think he gets a lot right and I prefer to wait until he has had the time - 5 years - yes still 2 more years I know - for the list to be assembled to show what he plans as his assault on the 8.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:50 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
I can see that we play differently, at times both in games and between games. I can understand there are reasons for this; some I think I might know and others I know i do not know...but I sense from your tone that you feel Bolts is not the right person, while I think he is learning and growing with the group and that whatever coach he may be, he isn't yet simply because he does not yet have the list.

But what I do see are the youngsters developing. I see moments when it comes together and then I see the mistakes that break the momentum of those moments. I see injuries forcing changes. I see players struggling at times because they lack either a) our kids - experience or b) some of our discards or players who have been on the list a while - talent.

As the A group gain the experience (and are added to) to take control from the B group I think we will get a lot better - fast. But we are not there yet, and I think none of us really think we should be yet.

I trust Bolts is trying to steer the course between the needs of the kids, the club, the list, the media and so forth.

Does he always get it right? Who does? I think he gets a lot right and I prefer to wait until he has had the time - 5 years - yes still 2 more years I know - for the list to be assembled to show what he plans as his assault on the 8.



I can see the young ones growth and potential and know it's a few years away but i also question some methods.
Bolton is a young coach and I have mentioned this before but he also need to grow at a fast rate. I do question some decisions and if we are objective we can see them. Listening to some of the commentators they also question some decisions and methods so lets not get hung up on everything being done right. I personally didn't expect to be in the eight so soon but this year is far more disappointing that the previous ones.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:10 pm 
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Logically, it takes a while for the coaches to know the players individually.

You can't expect the coaches to instantly know each players individual traits.

Give them time to grow together.


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Rexy wrote:
Logically, it takes a while for the coaches to know the players individually.



But as fans, we know everything straight away.

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very reasonable redback, I can see the concerns I guess i expected a backward step - I remember talking my brothers at Christmas that they shouldn't get their hopes up, that this would be a harder year than the past two...they of course, as they have always done, ignored me :grin:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:05 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
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Would you give OShea 5 years
Bolton could well be the OShea of coaches
Why would you make an assessment on a players performance over 2 to 3 years but give the coach longer


The people within the club are the ones giving him extra time. Surely they would understand his performance far better than you or I. IMHO, they've made relatively good decisions to date, I'm happy to back them in on this one.
Bolton makes more errors each week than Oshea does
Yesterday it was a no brainer that Jones should have taken on the Rowe role.
Rowe was never going to change anything up.
Jones could have set the place alight

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Hahahaha LOL! You are something else Sydney. It amazes me people still waste their time trying to reason with you.

You don't rate the coach.
You don't rate the list strategy.
You don't rate the game day strategy.
You don't rate the current/new Carlton.

Give us a positive Sydney. What is the club doing right?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:09 am 
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Crippa wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Would you give OShea 5 years
Bolton could well be the OShea of coaches
Why would you make an assessment on a players performance over 2 to 3 years but give the coach longer


The people within the club are the ones giving him extra time. Surely they would understand his performance far better than you or I. IMHO, they've made relatively good decisions to date, I'm happy to back them in on this one.
Bolton makes more errors each week than Oshea does
Yesterday it was a no brainer that Jones should have taken on the Rowe role.
Rowe was never going to change anything up.
Jones could have set the place alight

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Hahahaha LOL! You are something else Sydney. It amazes me people still waste their time trying to reason with you.

You don't rate the coach.
You don't rate the list strategy.
You don't rate the game day strategy.
You don't rate the current/new Carlton.
Why are you still here again?
They are coming last or don't you look at results.
And no I don't rate them
If you rate a team coming last with a % of 60
You are the fool not me

There is only one stat that matters wins and losses

Sometimes I wonder why I come here myself reading over and over again how good we are or how good we are going to be.
I have been reading it for a very long time and laugh at how gullible some people can be


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So how do you propose these wins magically appear?

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