But Hall has the mobility, height and strength to get away from his opponent - can you say the same about Lance?

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Halleluiah.

PS. I get the feeling some are glad Whitnall has stayed because now they have something to discuss or more someone to ridicule. Then again Kouta is still around with his salary so wait until January.

Wait....no need...we started on Kouta last month Surrey.

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Lance play where Pagan puts him, that is one of the problems I dont believe he is playin in his best position.

Yes he plays well in defence sweeping reading the play but we already have a couple of players that do that Lappin and Houla.

Lance has played his best football in the forward line he is no Carey and will never be so play to his strenengh likes the ball on the lead. We win more games when Lance is in the forward line there is no question about that he is one of our barometers.

It is great to have faith in the next generation of kids but I wouldnt be replacing any of them kids for Lance at the moment you can argue on potential but I will take proven results any day in the week.

There are only two players that can win us games off there own boot they are FEVOLA and LANCE.

Holy Moly another post defending Lance and hitting the nail. This can't be good.

My grandpa had a saying....."mugs to the backline"..how many sweepers can we have...they are sweeping cos they aint perfoming where they are meant to be performing.ie Houlihan/Whitnall
I read the comment..he is no Carey and never will be..ever thought that is the problem..he isnt a Hall , Tredrae, Brown or Reiwoldt either, or Gehrig, or Goodes...or Pavlich...until we get some one who is we are going no where and thats why we recruited Josh Kennedy....and thats why Lance needs to reivent himself into something better than a poor mans Jason Cloke....

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Well no, I'm probably basing my judgement on the 200 odd training sessions I've watched over the past 3 years plus games Billy.
If Lance plays as a forward, yes the possession game plan suits him but he spent the majority of last year in defence and appears headed for there again.
As a defender he doesnt have the skills to hit targets coming out of defence.
But then again I'm preaching to the converted as you've seen far more of him than I.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Like you do with Collo? Or Pagan?

Why do you think Lance was placed in defence Surrey?

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Overall, he had a pretty good 2005. Didn't he kick over 20 goals, whilst playing half the season in defence? To finish top 3 in the B&F is what would be expected in an inexperienced side with a relatively poor midfield.

BV, You and I both know that I don't have a go at Pagan or Collo directly but more with the club direction both on and off the field. Our side played insipid footy last year and for that Pagan is held responsible. CFC off-field are not moving forward as one, making huge losses again, making questionable decisions and for that Collo is held responsible. I don't ridicule or belittle anyone in a public forum, like others do. I think you have seen this, well atleast I hope you have.

As for why Whitnall was pushed down back? I thought that was obvious. We didn't want to win.

It depends on what standards you set Verbs.
I require a team leader to-

Be aggressive at the contest in the forward line.

Chase his opponent when he loses a contest.

Apply defensive pressure when the opposition win possession in our forward line.

Set the example on the track and present yourself in excellent condition to play AFL football.

Be the very best your ability allows you to be.

How many of those did Lance consistently do in 2005?
I'm not saying he should be bagged or unfairly criticised but lets not rewrite history.
When we become a successful side, Lance circa 2005 wont be getting near our top 3 B&F.
That's the standard we should aspire to.

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Actually, everyone is required to do that.

As far as last year goes, in relation the team, Whitnall did okay. Nothing brilliant, but nor did anyone else. Being such a team game, it's one thing to isolate players performance and expect more, but more important in my eyes to compare that performance relative to the whole team. It only takes one weak link for the entire chain to fall apart, and even the sturdiest of links will crash to the floor with all the others, and by themselves, be utterly useless.

The key will be, over the next few years, building the strongest chain possible.

ever see Skilton play?

or Whitten?

Baldock?

Bloke called Harvey when saints were crap?

Flower for the Dees?

and so on.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Ahhh here we are again. This thread has all the cliches and arguments from threads gone by- "the game has passed him by" and "he's too fat for AFL", "Won't be at Carlton next year!!" and the old chestnut from Synbad "LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY HE'S COST US!!!"

Here's an idea, wait til he stops coming in our top 6 in the B and F then have crack. If we can get 12 players better than Lance on our list, we'll be doing alright, until then lay off the poor bastard.

Yes and no. Much of a muchness really.

umm...isn't he a very rich bastard?

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I disagree Verbs. (Not for the first time)

The standard is set by the incumbents. When Kennedy runs a lap and Fevola runs 20 metres in from the boundary, thats poor.
The message is either
a. taking shortcuts is acceptable or
b. the senior players have different rules to the rest.

Whitnall, Kouta, Fev, Campo etc, they all should be judged differently to the young players because they are expected to set the standard.
What Kennedy, Bower and co. learn today is what they will pass on to the youngsters in 5 years time.

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Times have changed. No more catching the royal pde tram or hiding behingd a tree to miss a training run.

Personally I could almost cop a champion player running 20 metres in from the boundary. But when we are talking about only average to good footballers like Lance, Fev, etc it is unacceptable.

Robert Walls would smash anyone running too far inside the line with a massive hip and shoulder, sending them sprawling. They didn't do it again after that.

In my books, anyone who puts their hand up as a footballer is required to try their guts out...from the first gamer to the 300 game vet. As to if they are good enough or not, that's a completely different matter, but you would expect the bottom side and a team that has won 21 games out of the last 88 to have quite a few that aren't good enough.

The chain must get stronger!

You get respect by doing all the right things not some.

Of course i will being up the money thing...

Carrying these blokes wages with their output is like going for a swim with your suit on.. they just hold you down.

If Lance steps up for the sake of our kids... ill have nothing to bag him about.

Our kids know nothing about whats required by footballers except what they see when they get to our club.

Well there isnt much to see.... is there?

They just havent done enough to
a) help the kids
b) set a tone
c) help the club keep a profile it can be proud of.

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