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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:39 pm 
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Most tipped North to be with us and the druggies top 4 and West Coast as big sliders.
Look at how the Roos and Eagles play compared to us, even the pies who last year didn't know what they stood for with the same playing group. Bad skills can't kick a goal blah blah. Amazing what ball movement does to a average team.


Just because the football world underestimated north and overestimated bombers doesn't meed they misjudged Carlton. You're comparing the roos and eagles playing style to ours, but the state of our list is very different to theirs. Have a look at Norths midfield compared to ours, way more experienced. Eagles have arguably the best forward and defender in the league in Kennedy and McGovern and Gaff and Darling are having breakout years. Have a look at the experience and age demographic of our list, we are in our rightful position at the bottom of the ladder. But I am confident the tide will turn in a year or two, it'll just take time given the turnover of the list.


So the "experts" misjudge everyone else because they only take certain aspects into their calculation for their assessment and not ours?
Most of those teams players are playing at a higher level for a reason, it's not about individual players.
The pies last year were appalling this year much improved because of the way they move the ball. Most of our kicks and handballs are defensive they don't release a attacking game, they build pressure.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:29 pm 
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redback wrote:
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Most tipped North to be with us and the druggies top 4 and West Coast as big sliders.
Look at how the Roos and Eagles play compared to us, even the pies who last year didn't know what they stood for with the same playing group. Bad skills can't kick a goal blah blah. Amazing what ball movement does to a average team.


Just because the football world underestimated north and overestimated bombers doesn't meed they misjudged Carlton. You're comparing the roos and eagles playing style to ours, but the state of our list is very different to theirs. Have a look at Norths midfield compared to ours, way more experienced. Eagles have arguably the best forward and defender in the league in Kennedy and McGovern and Gaff and Darling are having breakout years. Have a look at the experience and age demographic of our list, we are in our rightful position at the bottom of the ladder. But I am confident the tide will turn in a year or two, it'll just take time given the turnover of the list.


So the "experts" misjudge everyone else because they only take certain aspects into their calculation for their assessment and not ours?
Most of those teams players are playing at a higher level for a reason, it's not about individual players.
The pies last year were appalling this year much improved because of the way they move the ball. Most of our kicks and handballs are defensive they don't release a attacking game, they build pressure.

Let me just get this right, so your argument is given our current playing list we would be and should be performing better than what we have been if we had a different game plan?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:38 pm 
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I think Gibbs put it well when he was explaining the difference between our tactics to Adelaide's. They have a lot of layers added to their game plan because they have a very experienced side and can manage a more advanced strategy. When you have an inexperienced young side like Carlton you have to keep the game plan relatively simple and add layers down the track as the team gets more experienced.


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We would give our forwards a greater chance of competing and an open forward line.
Apparently we have a "low skill set" yet we handle the ball more.
We move the ball slow and allow the opposition to flood back then we bomb the ball to our young kpp to compete with hardened bodies.
What do you think.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:03 pm 
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We would give our forwards a greater chance of competing and an open forward line.
Apparently we have a "low skill set" yet we handle the ball more.
We move the ball slow and allow the opposition to flood back then we bomb the ball to our young kpp to compete with hardened bodies.
What do you think.

Judging by your rantings you should be a coach, but fortunately you have not coached any sporting team at any capacity hopefully!


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:17 pm 
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Blue Boys wrote:
I think Gibbs put it well when he was explaining the difference between our tactics to Adelaide's. They have a lot of layers added to their game plan because they have a very experienced side and can manage a more advanced strategy. When you have an inexperienced young side like Carlton you have to keep the game plan relatively simple and add layers down the track as the team gets more experienced.


Thanks for the info BB

I'm sure that would be the case.

When did he say that?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:50 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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I think Gibbs put it well when he was explaining the difference between our tactics to Adelaide's. They have a lot of layers added to their game plan because they have a very experienced side and can manage a more advanced strategy. When you have an inexperienced young side like Carlton you have to keep the game plan relatively simple and add layers down the track as the team gets more experienced.


Thanks for the info BB

I'm sure that would be the case.

When did he say that?

Back in April before we played the crows.

He is open about the differences between Carlton and the Crows, who have more experience, a more complex game plan and place greater store in the mental side of the game. ‘‘By having more experienced players and having a little bit more success, you can have a little bit more advanced game plan, which is nice.’’

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:25 pm 
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If supporters were brutally honest with themselves and not hide behind the club mantra of rebuild. They would realise that the club spent 6 months working on a new game style which held up well in the JTL.
But 20 minutes into the season it all fell apart as one player went down then another and Hardwick and his coaching staff had worked it out.
It didn't stack up and was picked apart the first week.
We have spent the rest of the year trying to rectify 6 months of work done in the off season

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:13 pm 
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The off season means nothing Syd.

Unless you have cherished memories of the great Pagan dual premiership Wizard Cup sides

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:37 am 
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How's that "complicated" game plan working out for the Crows atm. What would work better confusing players with "layers" and a complicated game plan, or a simple; effective and easy to understand plan. Pick one.
Does anyone think Richmond's rise from 14th to top is placed on a complicated game plan. No, they simplified their system and play to their strengths. They said this themselves.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:26 am 
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smithy wrote:
How's that "complicated" game plan working out for the Crows atm. What would work better confusing players with "layers" and a complicated game plan, or a simple; effective and easy to understand plan. Pick one.
Does anyone think Richmond's rise from 14th to top is placed on a complicated game plan. No, they simplified their system and play to their strengths. They said this themselves.

They play the onion layer game plan.....it make supporters cry (boom tish)


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:26 am 
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gibbs trying to make AFL strategy sound like it's rocket maths. when it really isn't.

kill the person with the ball, get ball. kick straight.


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Sydney Blue wrote:
If supporters were brutally honest with themselves and not hide behind the club mantra of rebuild. They would realise that the club spent 6 months working on a new game style which held up well in the JTL.
But 20 minutes into the season it all fell apart as one player went down then another and Hardwick and his coaching staff had worked it out.
It didn't stack up and was picked apart the first week.
We have spent the rest of the year trying to rectify 6 months of work done in the off season

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First game proved our best is good, but we can't afford any injuries due to our lack of depth.

There's more to it than your assumptions.

Been done to death. You discount all the things going against us in 2018 ala Gerard Wheately's form

Have a look at smithy's response regarding the Adelaide's complicated game plan and how they are going with a few injuries. They have a handful of AA players in losing teams. And they are using nearly 100% of their salary cap, and been recruiting A Graders for the past 4-5 years. Injury does hinder all teams. Game plans are only as good as the personnel on hand.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:10 am 
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Braithy wrote:
gibbs trying to make AFL strategy sound like it's rocket maths. when it really isn't.

kill the person with the ball, get ball. kick straight.

Yep. And remember a famous man once said "this aint Rocket Surgery" :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:35 am 
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The off season means nothing Syd.

Unless you have cherished memories of the great Pagan dual premiership Wizard Cup sides



It is what they were training and practicing in the off season
High press
Man space and not he player
Open attacking game plan

It got picked apart after 20 minutes of football and we tried it for several games
the rest of the season we have be trying to replicate what worked last year

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:40 am 
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You read and gurgitate too much press. They don’t know what the inner sanctum plans are and neither do you. Stop trying to sound like an expert and give it a rest FFS

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:02 pm 
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You read and gurgitate too much press. They don’t know what the inner sanctum plans are and neither do you. Stop trying to sound like an expert and give it a rest FFS


Hey baz baz you nong this is a Carlton football fan forum where we discuss our opinions
No one claims to be an expert we are a group of fans sitting in the pub talking crap
Or are you to stupid to work that out

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:08 pm 
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The only positive is you acknowledge you are talking crap. Speaking of stupid. Read your posts

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:17 pm 
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Too.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:27 pm 
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The only positive is you acknowledge you are talking crap. Speaking of stupid. Read your posts
Looking forward to reading your highly intellectual thoughts on football baz.


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