but he's not flashy enough!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Not exactly overwhelming evidence. There is plenty of vision of horrible turnovers by foot and shocking body positioning in marking contests- not watching the ball- getting outmarked by midfielders.
If he is fully fit he would have well and truly got a rocket up him by the coach I have no doubt.

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

We have 4 players out of what I believe is our best backline.

Doc, Weiters, Marchy and Willo.

Plowman's doing just fine.

Valid points mate, but no one hates the media more than me, I would like to see them used as target practice in an experimental military weapons program.
I've been ranting about their anti Carlton bias for years.
But what really worries me is that the real problem is not the injuries but our mindset from top to bottom.
I hope Plowman plays a ripper this week and you can say to me "stick that in your boot idiot" but lets not delude ourselves about his performances this season.

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

As compared to what? O'Shea and Mullet? Or a top 8 side quality defender. If he needs those players mentioned above to play well then that in itself is a problem.
And no one even knows what our best backline is because we have too many players of the same type 3rd tall/ Intercept defender/ and not the type we really need. Mids.
To me the sign of a backline poorly coached and lacking in confidence is one that punches out of the air when they should mark, when defenders take their eye of the ball to look at their opponent mid-flight or as the ball is kicked, giving away needless soft free kicks- hands in back/ over the shoulder. We are the probably the worst in all those areas. Our backline coaches have a lot to answer for; despite the extra pressure having a weak midfield.

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

It seems you don't understand how a system works.

Remove an integral component and it can all fall down.

Remove four integral components (out of six) and you have an absolute @#$%&! diabolical mess.

That's where we are at the moment.

The negativity towards Plowman is absurd considering the load he's being asked to shoulder.

You're correct - he's being exposed at times.

If we set him up in the backline with five Auskickers it might be more obvious to you but for the moment he's hanging in there without any of the mutual support that our backline had developed last year.

Give the guy a break - he's playing AFL with a VFL backline around him and he's doing a reasonable job of it.

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Hurr durr yeah I'm just too blind to see... what is this system you speak of Excuses excuses aren't we just full of them. Those Auskickers would probably out body and outmark him atm tbh

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

Thank you for exposing yourself.

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
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Oh no I'm exposed lol,

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

What do think this is 60 minutes... idiot

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

Keep digging dude...

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Keep providing nothing but weak ad hominem

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

Recruit a natural forward pocket to replace Wright.

That's a valid expectation.
You're not blaming Bolton directly, but indirectly... valid nevertheless.

IMHO I believe our kids are undeveloped as should be expected at such a young age.
Most of our 14 kids (20 and under) should be developing in the VFL.
But, we need to get games into them to fill a void/vacuum of talent we have 22-27yo bracket

Some people's expectations exceed the level our kids are capable of producing at this young age.
Check back in 2020, and see how they are going then.

I reckon a heap will produce in 2018 when there's more seniors/talent back from injury:

Murphy, Lang, Pickett, Marchbank, Williamson, Silvagni.A, Byrne...after the bye...then add Docherty, Pick 1-3, a Trade and a FA to that in 2019...

Things look worse than they are.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

So you call me idiot and I’m providing you with ad hominem attacks?

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

as a club, we've been singing for this since, gartlett and eddie left. such an integral part of the modern game. tricky, shifty forward pockets who are dogged in locking the ball in attack.

imo, elite forward pockets are just as valuable as tall key position players in the modern game. and it's definitely one part of the scouting and drafting plan which SOS has detrimentally ignored. imo it's SOS's only real error so far.

Watching Sydney last night made me realise that there is a difference between List Management and List Development.

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"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit"
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Yep, and Ronke is another player a few of us on here wanted the club to get with a late/rookie pick, fast -agile- skilled- tackling machine.. already had more impact in 3 games than all of our GWS pick ups put together.
He would most likely thrive even under our horrible system.

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

Yeah you're probably right Bondi, things can turn around quickly. But I really wonder about a club that not only recruits 3 very average recycled h/b in one year.
But then proceeds to play them ahead of some of our youngsters, we have an abundance of players who can play in defense; there is no excuse for playing some of these players not even injuries, why wouldn't we ease the pressure on young SOS by shifting him to the backline in a much easier role than trying to play him as a 3rd/small forward?...he could not be any worse than half our current backline... then bring in Polson to play that fwd role with the goal of laying 6-8 tackles in the forward half. It is bad enough to make these match selection decisions for 1 week but to do it for 4-5 weeks in a row is the very definition of insanity.

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

Just goes to show how much better young players can develop when they are surrounded by good senior players. Letting many of your senior players
go to bring in so many young players may not be the best way to go.