I think you're being a little disingenuous if you think it's Boltons fault that 40 odd players have been turned-over over the past 3 years. Carlton had initiated its rebuild before Bolton was brought on board. The fact that an 18 or 19 year old has been re-signed doesn't change the fact that the player is in his 1st or 2nd year and is massively inexperienced. Yes the head coach takes the fall for poor recruiting decisions, but you're kidding yourself if you think Silvagnis not the one pulling the strings.

I would imagine it would be pretty difficult to participate in the interview process for a senior coaching role unless you worked in the industry or were known in the industry. Clubs aren't really prepared to take risks, regardless of how experienced or qualified the candidate is. Hence there are very few coaches that werent ex afl footballers. I actually think Carlton did the right thing by bringing in someone who they thought was the best guy for the role, regardless of the fact he wasn't a big name or a past great player.

The fact that 40 players have been turned over could well be the reason we're in such disarray. I think I remember someone saying that no club has ever turned more players over in such a short period. Perhaps there's a very good reason for that.

For the record, I'm not blaming SOS or Bolts for the young kids. I think both have done very well identifying the quality we have. I'm just concerned we're not getting anywhere near the best out of them. They're not progressing as footballers IMO.

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Girls won the spoon too.

Duke I think our young players are developing but are suffering from lack of continuity due to injury and are being let down by our older senior players

Marchbank now Charlie Weitering Cunningham Byrne Pickett Kennedy all haven't had a lot of continuity

Fisher has obviously improved and I would argue that Obrien and Dow improve every week

Charlie shows more this year than last

Weiters Marchbank and SPS haven't played as well this year

I agree that that has contributed, but also the loss of other, more experienced, middle tier players has surely had an impact.

That's probably why other sides in a re-build phase don't overturn 40+ players in 2 seasons.

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Agree Duke but this is why ultimately I think we will be a good team because we have these young talented players who need games are getting games and once they are battle hardened will be good

I think whilst March SBS and Weiters haven't been good this year all have talent and with more experience will be much better and long term players

Been unlucky because even Williamson and macredie have not had any continuity and haven't played a senior game yet

Obviously too backline is really labouring without Docherty not just his skill but poise and leadership and younger players are suffering worst

Particularly with Simmo being less effective this year

Midfield in my view is suffering from lack of leadership with Gibbs and Murphy not playing but obviously not underplaying how well Cripps is leading and playing

Midfield also suffering from Kreuz being injured and not having as good a season as last

Is that Wibur and Orville Blight. They were both great in the air

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Well since you were never a teacher or a paramedic yourself, you would have NFI whatsoever (nor have credibility to comment or an understanding) of the work they do, their value to society or the remuneration they should receive

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

Wayne Brittain sacked prematurely after 1 year cause we HAD TO get Pagan and we had a massive injury list
Carlton's best tactical coach of the last 20 years

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Is it also a coincidence that the 2 winless sides on the bottom of that ladder were bottom of the ladder sides when they took them over?
Sides with probably the worst lists?

Rome want built in a day. Were all of you people who now have concerns about Boltons AFL credentials voicing them when he took over?
Were you voicing them in his first year?

The internet is full of retrospective experts. I understand that some people are impatient and want immediate results but it gets a bit tedious when they come out with the same negative shit over and over again. Yes, you have concerns about Bolton. We get it. But seriously, if you don't have anything to add other than the same negative shit every day, why do you bother?
The only certainty out of the rebuild IMHO is the same people who are whinging about Bolton will be the first in the queue celebrating success when it comes.
And I have no doubt it will come.

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it just shows a lack of patience as they look to why they aren't getting the results they want now.

I think Richmond is a classic example - everyone and their dog thought Hardwick couldn't coach but Richmond held their nerve. Much as I hate it it seems Collingwood have also held their nerve with Bucks and are on the improve.

With Brittain and perhaps (I am willing to admit) with Ratts the club again lost their nerve and went for the strategy as some are now (again) crying out for - they went for the experience coach that just set us back to square one all over again.

Seriously, the argument about having played football just makes me smile. It gets you in the door for the interview and that's it - the rest comes down to whether you can actually coach or not and has no bearing on what level you played football at. Especially nowadays with so many coaches and other experts. Its about people management, its about teaching, its about motivating, all skills that are not distinct to football.

I just hope the club is not listening to sites like this, that they hold their nerve, that they understand much of the pain is about the inexperience of the list and that most supporters do not understand it takes time, time tallied in seasons, not in wishes.

I suspect we still have two more tough seasons ahead. But I like the talent. I think its building, It will come if this club holds its nerve. but if it panics then we'll have to start all over again and probably waste the talent of Fisher, Curnow etc, much like we did with Gibbs, Murph, Simmo etc.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

If i reasonably expected 3-5 years on the bottom I would either go with a seasoned legend or a bright young optimist from a well structured club.

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With Brittain and Ratts it was a totally different scenario.
This time the club has put it all on the line.
They have been a club who has questions about their drafting in the past and they have elected to build through the draft.
They have been a club whose development of players is arguably the worst in the comp and yet they have decided to back their development.
They have been a club that has struggled to retain players and attract players and yet they have openly said they are targeting free agents.
They have been a club that historically has either had one of their own or targeted one of the best in the terms of coaching but have decided to go with a novice.

In gambling terms they have put the house on a 1000 to 1 shot.
If it pays off well happy days .
If it doesn't it is years of misery.
Right now we are in the back straight about 100 meters off the leaders.
We may have to push the jockey off to catch the rest up

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Good post and I think most supporters are happy for the club to "hold its nerve" and ignore all of the white noise that is taking place in some media circles.

We are concerned because it is quite evident this year is below par, his first two years he did well and we made progress.
This year niente.
The drafting of the delisted free agents, suspect, the match day moves and the team selections, the game plan and structures, questionable.
I don't mind Bolton and think he has been good for the kids up until now but has he got the potential to improve as we go forward.
These decisions of late do need to be questioned.
The kids will grow and that is just a natural part of maturity and growth but will it be enough.
Will they be part of the future or will we see some exodus because of constant and long term frustration?
Is he just as stubborn as his predecessor, enough to set us back again after a few years of another wasted rebuild?
We have been down for a while, so have Melbourne, so have St kilda, so have Brisbane.
All you hear is they will get there or they should be more advanced then they are, they are mentally frail, their senior core isn't up to it.
This is where we have our concerns, the first two years have been good but what are we going to be in 3-5 years?
Yes we all love the club some are pessimistic some optimistic. Some question the path taken lately others don't seem to question enough.
All we need to see is what we saw last year, effort and grow with some reasonable decision making and improved skill both on and off the park.

At the end of the day, everyone knows this is the clubs last chance to get it right, and if they feel the club is showing signs of getting it wrong, I feel the concerns many raise are justifiable.

It’s got nothing to do with nervous nellies or holding firm, etc. Its all about majority seeing things unfolding within the plan and highlighting it as a risk. As an example my main concern was always the trading of experience players. What has heightened this, was drafting of ‘experienced players’ nowhere near capable of supporting the kids. I’m also sure this will be the AFL’s response to us when we go crying about PP.

So to put on my corporate hat for a moment. From a business plan prospective, I would love to know how people operate a project plan such as this within their normal day to day environments. My question to the ‘positive’ posters; How much time do we give the club before we are allowed to voice concerns or risks? 6 months, 2 years, 5 years? When is it too late within a project before you raise a risk?

No doubting this is hard for us Surrey.
One good thing I find is no pre game nerves. I don't expect much atm. It can be a really nice time out from the usual roller coaster though..and a great way to practice some detachment, pick up long discarded hobbies or relish new ones... invest in quiet time or bungee jumping etc. I find I still like to watch our games, but it is good to be able to switch off if it gets unbearable.
I believe it will be worth it to stay the course.
Yes, it has been a hec of a long time since footy derived joy was a regular occurence. Luckily there are a squillion other ways to get joyful experiences. Admittedly footy joy is a unique pleasure, but just think how insanely beautiful it will be when she comes back and hangs around for years on end.
I was too young last time we had that but I hope all of us here get to experience it.
I'm gonna say that I reckon it will begin to happen from next year on. We will be so improved from this year that it will feel fantastic and then by 2020 the real challenges for the grail should kick in.

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no problem with concerns


the question in all this is time

so far it is into its 3rd year and that is no where near enough time - 3 years turning list over and going younger, less experience, smaller bodies etc

2 more years of training, playing, developing

I expect glimpses

and then a real jump around the 4 to 5 year mark -

re concerns I think we may all have them from time to time but we should also expect realistic outcomes and understand this rebuild is separate to our past @#$%&! ups re Pagan, re Malthouse etc. We must not pile them altogrther as I long @#$%&! up.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Tricky comparing this to business, SurreyBlue. In business I can hire and fire, adjust my budgets, pivot or perish on projects, hell I can completely change the goalposts.

In footy, though, the goalposts tend to stay the same. You can’t hire new players (or fire them unless they expose their peepee or steal shit from a teammate or similar). You can’t spend more money on players thanks to the cap etc.

Out of interest, what is this last chance that everyone knows about? Is there a legitimate push to shut us down if we don’t make finals over the next couple of years? I hadn’t heard of that.

That’s a hardcore statement that wants some facts/sources behind it. Cos if you’re right, that changes everything and I would agree we would need short term success NOW.

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