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Wojee
 Post subject: Tackling
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 6:30 pm 
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Ah, so the argument is only applicable when it suits


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 Post subject: Re: Tackling
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 6:37 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:

No one has any idea what the coaches are saying, and I like you a lot as a poster Braithy, always have, but saying things as if they are facts is where rumours start. It is not healthy or fair for the supporters nor the club.

You seem to have linked the tackling with all the other indicators and associate that with the coaches messages. A bit of a stretch don't you think?



yeah look, i totally am not meaning to sound like i'm starting rumours.

I should have said something like:

Historically speaking, effort is a prime indicator of whether players are buying into the coach's scheme. How many times did we hear in malthouse's final weeks that our players have tuned him out and stopped playing for him?

This season so far we seem like a team who are confused with structure, seem to not know where they should be. Where last year we were a hard, well drilled team playing for coach and each other.

tackles, kilometres run, pressure acts are all down. I wonder if there is a link with that and coaching?
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Braithy
 Post subject: Re: Tackling
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 6:49 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Ah, so the argument is only applicable when it suits



Well what redback said is valid. Time in possession would certainly skewer tackling stats. But, Richmond and WC are two high possession teams with good efficiency. WC & Tigers particular play a zone where they take away options up field for their opposition, rather then tackle and harass and flood the ball carrier.


We're not at the elite end of the table and we have an inexperienced list. our KPI's are going to be a lot different to teams fighting for a flag. Again, not wanting to be a broken record. but our KPI's are going to be those effort based things like tackling, pressure acts, 1%'ers, ball hawking and hunting as a pack etc ...

all things which we were really excellent at last year (and the year before), but have dropped off significantly this season at.
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Sydney Blue
 Post subject: Tackling
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 7:04 pm 
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Between 140 to 160 tackles in a game and about 5 or 6 holding the balls paid.
You would wonder why you would tackle at all

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 Post subject: Re: Tackling
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 8:01 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
i know i'm a broken record here. but anyway... our first year under bolton was our best tackling year in a long long time. we were at the top of the league for tackles achieved and pressure acts committed. second year, we tailed off from the first year, but the difference was negligible.

and this season we are near the bottom in tackles, pressure acts and kilometres run per game. when these trends start to appear, it's often an indicator the coaching staff have lost the group. tacking is about want and desire and putting your body onto the line. turning up for your mate, and gut running bcos you believe it is for something. you believe in the plan and believe that plan will deliver wins.

we have tackling issues bcos players have possibly stopped believing.
Completely agree..... You're a broken record.

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Braithy
 Post subject: Re: Tackling
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moshe25 wrote:
Braithy wrote:
i know i'm a broken record here. but anyway... our first year under bolton was our best tackling year in a long long time. we were at the top of the league for tackles achieved and pressure acts committed. second year, we tailed off from the first year, but the difference was negligible.

and this season we are near the bottom in tackles, pressure acts and kilometres run per game. when these trends start to appear, it's often an indicator the coaching staff have lost the group. tacking is about want and desire and putting your body onto the line. turning up for your mate, and gut running bcos you believe it is for something. you believe in the plan and believe that plan will deliver wins.

we have tackling issues bcos players have possibly stopped believing.
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good grief you're boringly predictable.
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billc3
 Post subject: Re: Tackling
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 9:26 am 
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Between 140 to 160 tackles in a game and about 5 or 6 holding the balls paid.
You would wonder why you would tackle at all

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Agree SB very frustrating seeing the ball drop to a free opposition player when one or two Blues players are out of the play because they are TACKLING

We also are targeted by opposition teams as an 'if tackled by X, just keep going, if tackle doesn't break, drop ball' team... Can't believe the umps don't see it, but also that the coaches don't (if they don't!)

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 Post subject: Re: Tackling
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 7:36 pm 
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redback wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Braithy wrote:
While the players might be new to the afl, this is a game they've been playing their whole life. Tacking is not a new concept.

and simpson and fisher are two featherweights who rip in. so size isn't the biggest indictor. it's effort. tackling, running, pressure acts, the 1%'ers. It's all effort based, rather than skill based. and they're good indicators as to whether the players are buying what the coaching staff are selling.


Richmond are 1st on the ladder. They're 13th in the AFL for tackles.
West Coast are 2nd. They're 15th in the AFL for tackles. 16th for 1%ers. Are their players buying what the coaching staff are selling?



you don't need to tackle if you have the ball :wink:

Blue Vain wrote:
Ah, so the argument is only applicable when it suits



Stats can always be skewed to suite an argument also, bending the information subtly
the tigers have a 35+ tackle differential against the sides they have played , eagles -8
us -63
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 Post subject: Re: Tackling
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so the players have bought back in ....this week....

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It's time we get Scomo to the club to show us a thing or two

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It's time we get Scomo to the club to show us a thing or two
He should be available next week

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CK95 wrote:
It's time we get Scomo to the club to show us a thing or two
He should be available next week

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Nah - he just likes to tackle children. :lol:
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CK95 wrote:
It's time we get Scomo to the club to show us a thing or two
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