I thought we were quite disciplined.

We didn't get smashed as some suggest.

You have to accept this is a total rebuild.
If you want to know what the first 5 years of a newly built team see GWS and GC.
If you want to see the history of a rebuild see Hawks.

How many games has McKay, O'Brien, Dow played again? Less than 10.

Where's our 100 game players? Murphy captain and vice captain Kreuzer both injured.

Our 100 game players are Simpson, Thomas, Casboult, Jones and Ed.

Do you see a short term problem?

What positive impact did coaching gurus like Pagan and Malthouse have on the team's success?

Always blame the coaches or the culture. How bout having a look at the list and where it is at.
You ned some perspective and a sprinkle of pragmatism.

It is not time for fair weathered supporters. The boys and club need support and belief in them and their future.
The problem is the supporters who jumped on the bandwagon because we were successful in our hey day.

I tell you, I remember Carlton hadn't won a flag in 21 years in 1968, but the supporters were steadfast and loyal back then.

Opposition supporters can see what we are building, but also love to put the boot in to this arrogant supporter base. That's life.
If you cant handle it, you are barracking to the wrong team,

I love Carlton, and love watching the improvement. Stop picking on our young skinny kids and our current coaching group.
If kids cant shepherd for their mates (Footy 101), then their time in AFL is limited, and they will join those we delisted in the last 3 years.
Thank god the club as cleaned out the crap from our past 10 years of recruiting and building a talented list that will mature in the next 2-3 years, not next week.

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Did you enrol in the same certificate of extrapolative bombast as SB?

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Malthouse came on board telling us he could lead Ratten's list to a flag, and we ended on the bottom of the ladder.

Big difference.

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Players must be so excited to play such a negative game style, bet they can't wait to kick it backwards and sideways/slow play turn it over and get scored on.
Has anyone ever f#### told this coaching group that the best way to relieve pressure is to score.
Before anyone goes on about injuries and damage control, have a look when the last time we scored over 100 points was.
Slow play is death in modern football, you have 15-20 seconds to get it to your forwards or it will be 3 or 4 to 1. It actually puts our defense under more pressure
If we are building for the future literally the worst thing you can do is teach young players this game style. It is sucking the life out of them and it is "systemic".
It was so obvious after that round 1 game things were about to go bad when during the week the media pundits declared that we were too attacking and Bolton agreed in an interview. I pricked my ears up and knew we were f####, did it occur to the club that maybe those expert media people don't want us to play attacking because they do not have our best interests at heart; and because they saw how dangerous we could be.
We played that attacking style for a quarter and a half and led the premiers by 4 goals, then we went into their shell because collectively we are mentally fragile, cannot deal with a lead so we freeze go slow/too wide.
This is a coaching and mindset problem as much as it is personnel. Stubbornness is the most fatal trait sometimes and I see it in our match selections and game plan.

There is no excuse to play any of the recycled hacks in front of Polson, Cuningham unless those two are on a team sanction for an indiscretion?. They are not easing the burden of younger players. They are F##### adding to it. Whoever is pushing for the selection of O'Shea Mullet needs to go.

This f##### club was told by all and sundry for the last 8 flower years the midfield was shallow and the list was unbalanced. But no; lets bring in 3 recycled hbf
Every year the stupidity goes on, zero vision and the list is even more unbalanced than it was.

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Well said Bondi.

The darkest hour is just before dawn...

My pleasure.
It saves me from searching works of fiction to read online.

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Been saying' that for a long time now and I'm still waiting....................might be different this time as we have genuine talent in the place for a change.

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Only dumb f##ks think if you work with in the contrived AFL system you will get success .
Apart from a few years when Pratt was in charge since 2002 we have been doing exactly what the AFL wants us to do.
They want everyone to have their turn and there are a heap in front of us that will get their turn before us.
Ever stopped and wondered why Judd chose us.
It was because Pratt figured out a way to pay him and his Mrs outside the cap.
Ever wondered why Mitchell Rockcliff etc choose other clubs and not Carlton despite there being an abundance of extra sslary cap space.
How could the Swans afford to pay Buddy and Tippet and still keep their list in order.

Geelong attract Danger Ablett Etc etc and manage to stay under cap.

We have a bunch of dumb idiots running our club and an equally bunch of dumb supporters who think they are going about it the right way.

We are doing what the AFL wants - rebuild and have your turn every 18 years.

Smart clubs find a way to beat the system. We used to be a smart club but we aint any more.

We need to bring back Jack or find another Pratt.

Or wait inline until its your turn

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Agree, there would be many clubs over the cap. But only Carlton cheats as we know.
It's why I shake my head when people say we need to rid ourselves of the Matheson's and Pratts etc etc.
We need someone like Bruce involved with the club more than ever; to say to the AFL to f### themselves when it needs to be said.
The AFL only care about their babies GWS, GC and SYD they will always put the interests of other clubs above us.
We need to push hard for a mid first round priority pick if these fortunes continue, those pricks won't give us one after our first that is a given.
We should threaten to take them on via the court system, (surely we would have a case) if it looks like they are going to screw us out of a mid first P.P . When you think about what those expansion teams were given, not to mention the favors for Brisbane and Melbourne it's not that much of an ask.
The media will be same c#### they always are and lead the chorus against us getting a P.P they will stir and sway opinion, even many of our own di##head supporters will whine no doubt.
I can just hear the turds on Foxfooty now saying "they already have x amount of first round picks blah blah" and that's when we need a strong voice in the media Matheson or whoever to say "Go f### yourselves half those first rounders are discards from other clubs". These are sort of things that should be happening imho.

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

Soooo...the solution is to bring the Oligarchs back to the club, and try to find a way to cheat the system?

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Oh dear. We’re all dumb. Everyone is dumb. Except for Sydney. Sydney isn’t dumb. Sydney is smart. Smarter than everyone.

Do you like having a football club to follow? Because you might not have one down the track if this continues.

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

How many thousands of supporters do you think we have lost in the last 20 years fmd, this whole league is one giant festival of cheating

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

Absolutely not. I'm obviously not in that camp at all, but neither do I want to just put blind faith in a coach that has taken the club backwards since 2016 on the scoreboard.

People can blow sunshine up the Bulldog's arse and tell us what a great young group they are, but last year they missed the finals.
Last week they were 2nd or 3rd last (?).
Last week they played in Perth on Saturday night.
Last night they had an average age of 23 and they still *smashed us (*context).

My prediction for the next 12 months. We'll keep losing by big margins & morale will drop to record levels. The club will realise we're losing massive dollars in revenue. They'll figure we've got the high picks we need with more to come. They'll sakc Bolts and install a new coach. The new coach will bring fresh ideas and we'll start to win some games as the young kids mature.

This is not what I want to happen, I like Bolts - I'd rather we start winning from next week. But I can see it happening already.

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Nostradamus at his finest.

just to be clear 21 points is a big margin?

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